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Cosmic Disclosure: ET Detention and Interrogation

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. We're here with Emery Smith and Corey Goode.

And in this episode, we're going to be talking about extraterrestrial detention facilities.

Emery, welcome back.

Emery Smith: Oh, thanks. Excited to be here.

David: And, Corey, thanks for being here.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: We have talked in the past about this Intercept and Interrogate Program that you were involved in, Corey.

So, in case someone isn't aware of what that is, could you please summarize that for us briefly now?

Corey: Yeah. It's a program that is, in part, similar to “Men in Black”.

What this Intercept and Interrogation Program does is that if an intruder flies into our system, doesn't give a friend or foe signal, and is intercepted, they are taken from their ship.

Or what happens in most cases is that ETs have made it to the Earth and are here secretly blending in as one of us.

And this group will go in and retrieve the people that are here – we call the ETs “people” - the people that are here without permission, bring them up to a certain station, and their interrogations would begin to find out what was going on.

This group also operated as a police force for the non-terrestrial groups that were here with permission.

They helped keep them apart. And when they had issues, they acted like police.

David: Now, the program you were in, Corey, is called Solar Warden. A warden would be like somebody working in a prison or jail. Is there any relationship with that name?

Corey: Yes. The mandate of Solar Warden was to police our Solar System. That was the main mandate.

They had also a program to establish bases on the closest stars in our local star cluster. But, yeah . . . that's . . . That was their mandate.

David: Emery, you claim to have autopsied over 3,000 different biological specimens.

Emery: Correct – specimens.

David: Did you see any that looked enough like humans that they could be here on Earth in that program?

Emery: They look just like us. They smell like us. They walk like us. They're just . . . Their IQ is higher. They're a lot more conscious than we are.

And they can easily fit into any place on the planet, regardless of language or religion or, you know, the finances of that country, we'll say.

So they don't have to have a lot of money to survive here. They can live like a poor person, or they could live like a rich person, or just a regular person.

David: You've been involved in a variety of different ops programs. The one that you and I talked about the most over the last 10 years was these autopsies.

Emery: Yes.

David: Did you get into other programs later on where you were aware that certain of these human ETs were here on Earth?

Emery: Yes. And what had happened was some of the extraterrestrials that we were working on in the lab and doing dissections and whatnot, some of these full-bodied humans, extraterrestrials, would come in, and they would be very badly beaten, where subdermal hematomas from being hit in the back of their head, looks like they were tortured, sometimes many broken bones.

And we don't . . . I didn't find out till later on that these beings were actually coming from a prison or a withholding cell [holding cell] of some sort and were being interrogated.

And this is probably what, you know . . .

Corey: Yeah, it sounds . . .

Emery: Because it was after that they would probably come and send them . . . because they're just a corpse at that time.

So I'm just assuming, after hearing your testimony, that this was what we were receiving, because usually, they're in pretty good shape unless they were, you know, shot down or something.

And these were obviously beaten to death.

Corey: Yeah, we can mention this a little bit later, but, you know, I also received . . . When I was on the research vessel, I received specimens that we passed on. I can talk about how we did that, if it relates.

Emery: Right.

Corey: A lot of times, the individuals that were being interrogated just died of stress and trauma from the process. It was very disturbing. But they were tagged and sent for study afterwards.

Emery: Right. We had a few come in that they actually starved to death.

So I'm not sure what happened, but they were definitely . . . they starved to death.

Corey: Yeah, well, there's prisons that they have for them, some of them, where they bring them, like a conventional prison.

That's where they need to further interrogate them for a while, get more information, or have them to trade off or to pass off.

Emery: Right.

Corey: Fairly recently, I was given an extensive, I guess, viewing and tour of the Lunar Operation Command. And it connected to two other commands.

The Lunar Operation Command they call LOC Alpha, and below ground, in these lava tubes, are two more, called LOC Bravo and Charlie.

And LOC Charlie has a research facility that's cryogenics. And one of the floors of that is a storage facility for some of these beings that they put into stasis.

Emery: Right. There's a huge one of those where I worked – I'll say a large cryo morgue – where these are kept, you know, in the hundreds, before they go into the lab.

There's always enough bodies and there's always enough specimens. It's like an unlimited amount. It's like they can't keep up with it.

There's just so many going on, you know, hundreds of these rooms that I've worked in there that people are working on.

One of the things that happened one time, we did get a bunch of bodies. And they were completely ripped apart and burned. And they stopped doing this.

They were using the military with giant C-130s and Hercules to transport bodies to different labs around the world. And one crashed.

And then they stopped doing it, because civilians arrived on the scene and saw all these different creatures and different . . .

Corey: Do you recall when and where?

Emery: That was in 1994. Yeah.

Corey: Hm.

Emery: And this year . . .

David: And where was it?

Emery: I don't know where it was. I have no idea. I just know the whole background story because we were actually briefed on it, and because the tissue changes when it burns.

Corey: Uh-huh.

Emery: So you have to be really careful not to take that tissue.

David: Do you know what they did with the witnesses once those people saw this? Were they terminated? Or . . .

Emery: Yeah, I heard the witnesses were threatened. And I know there was one witness that was terminated on site.

David: Because they just couldn't handle it? They were going to talk? Or . . .

Emery: I think . . .

Corey: Or they saw one thing they weren't supposed to.

Emery: Yeah, I think it was more of that. And they were snooping around and actually taking things from the site.

David: Oh, wow!

Emery: I mean, from the crash site. Yeah.

David: So what do they use instead of a C-130 now?

Emery: Oh, everything's done underground. Everything is through the maglev tube system or other systems that they have for transport down there.

Corey: Hm.

David: Could you describe what this cryo storage facility would look like, this cryo morgue?

Emery: Oh, yeah, sure. Ah, I've seen it many times.

It's basically . . . I'm trying to think of a movie, maybe, that could relate to that.

Well, think of that “Matrix” scene, you know, all those bodies sitting in there, but these are all up and down, okay? And most of them are up and down, but some of them are at like a 45°.

And if you walk into this area, it's about five stories high, okay? It's below freezing in there.

And each one of these containers are a different size. They're not always all the same size because of the different specimens.

We have vacuum-sealed containers that are just this big [Emery separates his hands about 12”] for very small pieces of tissue.

The smallest one is about 12” x 6” long. It has a keypad on it, and it's made out of glass and a special metal. And it's vacuumed. So it has its own vacuum-suction pressure system.

And it also has a gas system, because some of these samples have to be stored in different types of gases to keep the tissue, not always just ice and . . .

Corey: I hate to interrupt, . . .

Emery: Sure.

Corey: . . . but on the research vessel, when they would bring in specimens, they would rebag them. And they would arrive in like . . . especially the smaller samples . . .

Emery: Uh-huh.

Corey: . . . would arrive in a small kind of metal box that had what looked like glass across the top.

Emery: Yeah.

Corey: And the specimens looked almost freeze dried, . . .

Emery: Right.

Corey: . . . but they weren't. They were in stasis. This is how the ETs shipped it to us.

Emery: Uh-huh.

Corey: They then . . . The technicians then took it in, turned off the device in a certain way, unsealed it.

Emery: Yes!

Corey: It was vacuumed, and they removed it. And then they put them into another vacuum-packed metal box that was then put into a bag, like a hazardous materials-type bag, . . .

Emery: Right.

Corey: . . . that was sealed at the top.

Emery: Yeah, no, that's very accurate. I've seen the square metal cases before.

Corey: When you looked at the specimen, it looked like it was freeze dried.

David: Right.

Corey: But when they would turn it off, it would go back . . .

Emery: Yep.

Corey: . . . to looking wet.

Emery: That's right. Yeah.

David: Hm. So we've been talking about your Intercept Interrogate Program, and this is obviously a whole world that none of us have been privy to.

What kinds of prisons do they have if these beings interlope and get into our Solar System? How do they deal with that?

Corey: What happens in an interrogation? If they're cooperative, if they say, “I'm here. I've got a small support team that's cloaked outside of Jupiter,” or, you know, just for example, “please contact them, verify . . .”

And in many cases, we would hand them back over to their support group, [and] say, you know, give them a slap on the hand and say, “This is the process that you come in legally,” I guess you would say.

David: Hm.

Corey: Now, the ones that they wanted to further question, they would keep in prisons, out of stasis, you know, just like a normal prison.

And some of these prisons were ships. Some of these prisons were actually some of the asteroids that we had mined.

Emery: Uh huh.

Corey: And then we ended up going in and creating partial cryo prisons, and . . . but mostly, just regular-type prisons.

So there's a number of ways they keep these beings locked down.

David: So what percentage of these violations would lead to sort of a friendly warning as opposed to actual incarceration?

Corey: Whew! That's . . . You know, that's really hard to say. I really didn't find out what happened to them after a certain point. You know, that information was compartmentalized.

But the discussions that we had when we were off duty was that, you know, this is what happened to them.

So, I really don't have any numbers on what percentages . . . who was ferreted where.

David: Hm. Emery, when you were in these programs, did you ever meet what appeared to be a biological extraterrestrial?

Emery: Yes.

David: Could you describe whether . . . like, did you ever get to talk to them? Did you ever get to find out if they were here on an approved basis, what they were doing here, that kind of thing?

Emery: Yeah, they were working in conjunction with . . . Some extraterrestrials actually volunteered . . . either they were captured, then volunteered to work here and help us, or some were actually . . . came here on their own will and had some sort of authorization to be in these labs to work with the physicians on many different biological aspects of tissue regeneration and hybridization and cloning.

Corey: Yeah, that's right. They did force a lot of them into scientific positions.

Emery: Yeah, it was either die, or you can work here.

Corey: Yeah.

David: Hm.

Emery: And they do threat them really well, as far as I heard. I've heard many stories.

Even on my team, I know one of the physicians was an extraterrestrial human and spoke and smelled just like us. It was not, like, any different.

Corey: After they eat our foods for a while.

Emery: Right.

Corey: If they don't eat our food, they smell completely different.

Emery: Correct.

David: Hm.

Emery: Right. And we also had other types of extraterrestrials that were there, that later on, through my experience, I saw in meetings and stuff. But they were not part of my project.

Corey: When you interacted with them, were there any type of weird social . . . weird things?

Emery: Yes.

Corey: Can you describe some of them?

Emery: Yeah, you know, they're very careful what they say, because a lot of them are still, like, learning our little idiosyncrasies, I'll say . . .

Corey: Yeah, the English especially.

Emery: It just . . . It doesn't come out always perfect. And a lot of . . .You can see they're really trying to pronunciate [sic] the words, kind of like when people come over from other countries to the US and they only know maybe 60%, 70% of the language.

And, you know, they say it, but it has, like, maybe a harsh accent or something like that.

And a lot of them, I think, actually, . . . They have emotions like we do, too. And they laugh, and they can be sad, and you can hurt their feelings, because they really, over time, the majority of them – not all of them; some go rogue and try to escape – but the majority of them, actually, I think, after being with us, I think they feel sorry for us. And they want to help. And they want to stay.

I really think they're that . . . They're so compassionate. They're like us times 10 in compassion.

And, you know, I've seen so much selflessness from a lot of these beings, especially when things get a little . . . sometimes things go wrong in the labs and stuff. And they . . . You know, they're there. They're not being shady, is what I'm saying. They actually care. Yeah, it was really interesting.

David: Did you see a sense of humor? Would they . . .

Emery: ABSOLUTELY! Humor is a big thing, a big them with them. And . . .

Corey: They love our music, and . . .

Emery: Yeah. They love the lights. They love our music. Anything that has to do with the senses is just, . . . they really indulge in that.

David: Hm.

Corey: Some of them like gambling because of that adrenal . . .

Emery: Right. So they also pick up on our bad habits, as well, such as food, and like you said, gambling, and these exciting things that we can get tied up into.

So they're not invincible, because they fall under our dimension as well.

So I mean, they're here just like we are, but they're just very conscious and very . . . Their IQs are through the roof.

And if you get one that speaks really well, you know, you won't probably know it – that they're an ET. Ha, ha, right?

Corey: Right.

David: Somebody's going to want me to ask this, so I'll do it now. Do either of you think that there are people in very visible public positions that are actually extraterrestrial humans?

Corey: I was told back when I was in this program that they are very limited in how they can participate with society.

They can . . . They have . . . Everything has to be pre-approved. They can work in our companies and that kind of thing, but they can't hold places of power.

I mean, that's for the ones that are coming here on whatever internship it is.

Emery: Absolutely. They're not allowed to have any influential positions. I would know.

David: Other than business . . .

Emery: I'm telling you guys, I would know right now, for sure, if someone of great power was an extraterrestrial. And they're not doing that to us.

And maybe in the future they will if they have to step in and save the planet and save us. But right now, there is nothing like that going on. And the corruption shows that around the world.

And they do. They have specific rules, like Corey said, that they cannot do certain things here.

David: We have 7 billion people on Earth that are Earth-born human. And Corey, you've described a colonization of our Solar System that appears to be much more vast than just Earth's population.

Could you speculate as to how many people are actually living in our Solar System, if we use the expanded term “people”?

Corey: It's millions.

David: Well, there's billions just on Earth, but you think there's millions of other people living in our Solar System?

Corey: Well, there's millions of our own people living throughout the Solar System.

David: Right.

Corey: When it comes to non-terrestrials that live . . . , it's a large number. Yeah.

David: Is it . . . Is there some reason why Earth humanity gets to be in charge of who comes and goes out of our Solar System, as opposed to other groups that are already colonizing here as well?

Corey: Well, for a while, that's how it happened. These different genetic farmer groups were controlling who was coming in and out.

David: Oh!

Corey: Once we developed the interstellar travel abilities and the military in space that we have, we began to police our own Solar System.

David: Hm. And the other groups allowed us to do that? Or . . .

Corey: Yeah. A lot of them didn't have a choice because we had . . . We now had their technology, or greater, that we were receiving in these trades.

We were trading, you know, people and genetic material off in this galactic slave trade. And it's a huge . . . There's a lot of commerce going on.

So, I mean, for a while, we had issues when we were developing these commerce pathways throughout the local 52 star clusters, because there were already well-established trade routes.

And we were interfering with that. We had a big learning process.

Now it's to a point where . . . It used to be: when we had to send a whole fleet to bring, you know, beings and bullets to a certain outpost.

Now, they use the types of ships I was in – the big cigar-shaped. They are completely automated.

And they fly from star system to star system. And they kick off, you know, these containers and leave them floating, and then they shoot to the next star system to do the next delivery.

And they have no worry that a different group's going to come along and take their belongings.

It's now all . . . You know, everything's well established now.

David: Corey, you had mentioned that there is some new information you have about aquatic beings in the Pacific. Could you explain that to us now?

Corey: Yeah, there's some new information I have, but this information I had back when I was in the interrogation program.

The Navy had accidentally discovered an ET base under the Pacific Ocean that they were unaware of and that was not approved.

The other non-terrestrial groups they communicated with said, “No, this is not approved.”

So they then . . . The Navy intelligence then organized a “training operation” above this base, to where they were dropping depth charges and other deep penetrating weapons into the ocean and pretty much destroyed this base.

Now, . . . And the people . . . As they were dropping these ordinance into the ocean, ships were flying out. They were seeing all this activity. There were ships leaving, like, evacuating.

So weeks later, the program sent in some of their electromagnetic subs to go in and recon this base.

And when they did, there were dozens of these beings that were still alive. And they ended up bringing them up for interrogation.

And, yeah, they were . . . they were aquatics.

Emery: Do you know what they looked like?

Corey: Yeah.

Emery: What did they look like?

Corey: Well, these were actually pretty small. They had them in this one tall, vertical tank together. And then they were kind of like using the fish hooks that they do on fishing trips, [they] were reaching in, snagging them out very roughly, pulling them out, and bringing them and putting them in this other tank that had cabling hooked up to it and a metal band around, just stuck to the glass – it looked like with silicone or something.

And these beings . . . They had a big kind of lobe in the front of their head that was obviously how they communicated. By the size of their jaws and all that, they could tell that they obviously did not communicate vocally like we do.

Emery: Right.

Corey: They communicated through . . .

Emery: Echolocation.

Corey: Yeah, very similar to, like, dolphins.

So they figured out a way to communicate with them. We were not communicating with them.

Aquatics are hard to communicate [with]. Their base of reference is completely different than ours.

But they were stressing these beings out, applying, . . . changing the temperature of the water, putting chemicals in the water – doing all types of things to stress out these beings when they were questioning them.

David: Emery, how often did you see aquatic-type beings when you were working in the program with the autopsies?

Emery: I've seen a couple hundred aquatic beings, . . .

David: Hm.

Emery: . . . and meaning . . . or samples that were aquatic or aquatic beings.

And he's right. It's just a completely different type of a body and a different type of cellular biology. And, you know, it's very different, just as we are different than a dolphin or a fish.

David: Did they have more cartilage than bone, in the way that their skeleton was?

Emery: Yeah, that's a great question. They did. A lot of them were not able to walk on land. Some were able to.

Some had a bony structure. And a lot of them had these very cartilaginous type of bodies, where they didn't have, you know, . . . What gave them shape was actually this matrix web of cartilage intertwined with, like, amazing muscle mass and amazing muscle definition.

David: Hm.

Emery: One of the ones that I actually examined had the body of a human. It had these fins that ran down the sides of the outside of the body, and kind of a little bit of webbed hands and feet, and stood about 6' tall.

Now, I've seen very small ones, like he talks about.

And size does not matter in the universe . . .

Corey: Yeah.

Emery: . . . I'll tell you that much.

Corey: We've had ships that crashed that were this big. [Corey separates his hands about 12”.)

Emery: Right.

Corey: And they were occupied.

Emery: Yes. So beings can be very, very small. We would have to use these giant neurological microscopes sometimes to operate on some of these and take samples, because you know, they were only, like, 3” tall.

David: Neurological microscope meaning that you had to interface with it with your mind?

Emery: No, alls it . . . No, I'm sorry. Neurological . . . just a standard microscope they use in neurosurgery . . .

David: Oh!

Emery: . . . for brain surgery and stuff, so a magnification, you know.

David: Right.

Emery: It comes with it's own chair and stuff, and you just sit there and make these very small movements. And it is a very dynamic thing. But . . .

David: The Atacama humanoid you dissected in “Sirius” [2013, available on Gaia] is only about 6” tall.

Emery: 13 cm, right.

David: So how was that comparing with some of the smallest ones that you saw?

Emery: Well, the smallest one I've every operated on was about 3”.

David: Really?

Emery: Yeah. Full body. Same thing – the head was three times . . .

David: And it was an adult?

Emery: The head was, yeah, three times larger. You know, the heads are always, for some reason . . . they're always a little bit larger than ours.

And it's probably for the brain or other things they have that's special. Like, you know, his aquatics had this giant thing on the front for echolocation and communication.

And we see a lot of that. We see a lot of these giant bumps and whatnot. It's made of calcium. And they're in really odd shapes.

And it's very similar to that of whales and dolphins, like you said, Corey.

David: Corey, we have these various beings coming into our Solar System, and some of them are approved, some of them are not.

You haven't really talked that much about the Intercept Interrogate Program before. So could you explain for us some of the beings that you saw in that program? Give us an example.

Corey: Most of them were human. They just looked human, and just various types of humans.

About 10%, maybe 15%, were the types that you hear described, you know, as “aliens” - very strange-looking – evolved in a completely different environment.

So you know, we had insectoids. We had different types of reptilian beings, which, you know, we immediately turned over to the Draco.

The insectoids . . . There was a certain type of insectoid, a certain group, that was always turned over.

But, you know, I described the one that had a weird seahorse-looking head and an insectoid segmented body. There were a number of different amphibians.

Now, I've described before the cat being that I saw, and that was actually later on when I was in . . . when I was serving on the research vessel.

Some of these beings, there is a capture or kill order out on them, because they just want to gather intelligence.

One of these beings was this feline-type being that had the ability to teleport anywhere it wanted. And it basically just had to think of where it wanted to go, change its vibration to the vibration of where it wanted to go, and it just was there.

And it was a very highly evolved species that this military group wanted to get a hold of.

So apparently, they set up some sort of – like in the movie “Jumper” - some sort of an electrical grid that when it popped in to have a meeting with someone it was meeting with on a regular basis, they were able to catch it in this grid.

And it basically electrocuted it to death. And we saw the body when it was being transported, and it was very tall. You know, it's hard to tell the way they were carrying it.

It was sort of lavender-colored, and it had, like, net burn marks all over. The tip of its ear was burned almost all the way off.

But the weird thing is that even the sociopathic people that were there, everyone, was overcome with emotion.

Everyone just started . . . tears started rolling. You felt so incredibly sad about this being.

And there were people there that had no emotions, literally, that were crying.

Emery: Right.

David: Did you ever see feline-looking humanoids?

Emery: Yes.

David: Does any of this ring a bell?

Emery: Oh, yeah. Lots of feline, cat-looking-type beings.

David: So that was common?

Emery: It's a common thing.

David: Hm.

Emery: Like you said, they're highly intelligent, and some of them are transdimensional, so they have these various special abilities.

And some of them, actually, like an electric ell, have, like, electricity in them somehow. They're always putting grounding plates on these things before we operate on them to make sure that we don't have any static, or they don't have any electricity left.

Corey: Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Emery: You know what I'm talking about? So it's like . . . You know, I don't like working on those because a lot of people, even though they had the grounding plates on them, they were electrocuted – some of the technicians and physicians.

David: Really?

Emery: But other than that, yeah, they're very common. There's many different types of species from all over the universe.

And I haven't . . .I don't know of any that were bad that I could recall, in the briefings, I mean, when we do get that sometimes.

So that's a good sign that they have super powers and they're not aggressive.

Corey: Yeah, this particular being, I remember, was visiting a certain individual, giving them spiritual advice and knowledge.

Emery: Oh, wow!

Corey: And the individual that it was visiting was killed in the capture as well.

Emery: Interesting! Wow!

Corey: They were getting information of a spiritual nature from this being that was appearing to him from time to time.

And some of the technology they have is able to tell when something teleports in, you know.

Emery: Right. Sure.

Corey: I mean, it's like there's a disturbance in their grid . . .

Emery: Absolutely.

Corey: . . . that they're able to triangulate in on.

Emery: Yeah.

David: Well, we've been talking about the prison system – that's a big part of this show – and so in the time we have left here, I'd like to ask this one last question.

There's been a variety of sci-fi movies that may have been inspired by the Cabal, that seem to be talking about the idea of prisons where people are put into some kind of suspended animation.

So we have a specific question from the audience, because we like to answer your questions, and it said: Do you have any information about the US prison systems on Earth developing suspended animation detention technology?

Are they actually doing that to either of your knowledge?

Emery: I'm aware of that, definitely. They do this. It's a cost-effective way of keeping people at bay that have done some things, bad things.

Corey: I've heard of them doing this to certain special operators that have gone rogue, that are just too dangerous to be released into civilization.

But I haven't heard of any plans to do that on the general population prison system, though I wouldn't doubt that plans are there.

Emery: I doubt that. Yeah.

David: Well, within the rule of law, I think the ethical objections would be so high, I don't think it could ever be approved by any legitimate elected government.

Emery: Yeah, there are entire planets like that that have these suspended animation holding cells, . . .

David: Really?

Emery: . . . they call them. And not saying the planet is as big as Earth, but pretty big planets that are out there. I'm sure Corey knows about this. And that's where they keep them.

David: I did hear from the space program insider, Jacob, that he described there were prison planets, that there were planets in which the main function of that planet was to imprison people and keep them from leaving.

Corey: It sounds like what we're living on a little bit.

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: Yeah. It's very similar.

David: Well, Jacob had specifically said you would not want to ever get caught in one of these planets, that it's an incredibly miserable existence if you're in one of those situations.

Emery: Well, the ones I'm talking about were suspended animation and cryo.

So these beings are in a deep sleep for hundreds of thousands of years, and a thousand years, 100 years, could be even longer, depending on what they did.

David: Well, you guys have both done a great job here. It's a very enlightening discussion.

This is “Cosmic Disclosure” with Emery Smith, Corey Goode and me, your host, David Wilcock. Thanks for watching.







Cosmic Disclosure: Aliens At Home On Earth

David Wilcock: Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. I'm here with Emery Smith and Corey Goode, and we're talking about ETs living among us.

Emery, welcome to the show.

Emery Smith: Thank you, Dave.

David: And Corey, welcome back.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So just to open this up, Emery, to your knowledge are there extraterrestrial beings that did not originate on Earth that would be able to pose as humans from Earth to a degree that we wouldn't notice that they were any different?

Emery: 100% you would not know.

David: Okay.

Emery: And they are here.

David: And could you tell us a little more about that?

Emery: Well, extraterrestrials also come to watch over us and look at things on the Earth.

And they're here to gather information to make sure we don't blow up the Earth or kill each other.

So they're here just to get information and have it and to also experience the life of a human, which is quite preferably like a vacation for them.

So it's a very interesting scientific job for an extraterrestrial to have. It's kind of an honor to come here, live amongst us, and do things, just living like a normal human being, actually, and interacting with human beings.

Corey: Like the Peace Corps.

Emery: Right, just like the Peace . . . It's like a universal Peace Corps.

David: Is there any . . . either of you guys can take this. Is there any regulation on this? Is this a legal immigration program? Or is it sort of something where they just show up, and we don't know about it?

Corey: It's both.

It's both. Some of them are from other star systems far away that are paying very close attention to what's going on here, including the Draco conquest of star systems.

So they'll send people in to do a little reconnaissance.

Emery: Sure.

Corey: And when they come in, and they come in without permission, if they get caught, it's not a good thing for them at all.

Emery: No, right.

Corey: There's actually a program that I was a part of called the Intruder, Intercept and Interrogation Program. And we ran into quite a few different species that were here without permission.

David: All right, well, let's just . . . I want to ask another question that might seem dumb, but I think we could get somewhere with it.

When we went back to the original Disclosure Project event, 2001 – and you worked with Dr. Greer for many years . . .

Emery: Absolutely, yes.

David: You had access to those insiders, obviously.

Emery: Yes.

David: In the Disclosure Project 2001 event at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, you had Sergeant Clifford Stone, who goes up there and says that there was this group of 57 different ETs that he had on a checklist that they called “the Heinz 57”.

And he said that many of them looked almost exactly or exactly like us.

He had a theory, that I guess was the common theory at the time, that maybe some primordial human race had just gone around and seeded itself all over the galaxy.

Do you think that's why there are people on other planets that look like us? What do you think might be the explanation for this?

Emery: Well, the explanation for that would be: they have . . . the Earth itself has been here a very long time. And people are . . . it's hard for them to grab that concept that it's been here for billions of years

And what has happened is: during that time, Earth had many visitors and made different types of extraterrestrials that had lived here.

Corey: Refugees. Lots of refugees.

Emery: Right, lots of refugees that come here seeking a safe place to make another civilization.

David: Right.

Emery: So these civilizations colonized Earth. And with that, there were other extraterrestrials that came here and experimented with this human DNA and made hybrids. And they also made many other creatures that you find here on the planet.

If you look at everything, it's a very intricate design, from a grasshopper to a blade of grass. There's a lot going on.

Corey: Yeah, and also with intelligent design, usually when these genetic farmers come here, they have to have a base species to begin to engineer.

And from what I'm told, the Sun and our planet puts off a certain frequency that determines what type of life form we will be, five fingers, mammalian, and have a certain form.

So there's also that aspect to the development of species. And then they come in and then they begin to use various genome to change the race.

Emery: Right.

David: One of the things that this insider Jacob told me – and he's the guy who has claimed to be in the Secret Space Program and visited over 2,000 off-planet locations and had information that correlated perfectly with what you said, Corey, when you showed up – he said that Earth has a much higher complexity of a genetic wave that supports far more diversity of life on this planet than would normally be able to happen on other planets.

So a lot of ETs have wanted to come here because you can basically drop off any life form you want, and it will be able to live here, whereas that might not normally happen.

Have either of you heard of something like that?

Emery: I wouldn't say “any life form”, but yes, I would say that does happen. And I would say that a lot of the new species that people are finding every day . . . You know, people are finding new types of insects and new types of creatures on the bottom of the ocean.

So these discoveries are every day if you look it up. Every day there's something discovered, especially like in the Amazon and whatnot, with plant life and small animals.

So, where are those coming from? And why haven't we seen those in so long? We've been here a few thousand years.

So, you know, what's going on?

And this is what's going on: we're being seeded still to this day, and genetic mutation is still happening to this day with all of us AND the animals AND the oceans.

So, you know, it's evolving here as well. So don't take mutation as a bad thing.

Some mutations are good because it keeps us alive.

Corey: What was interesting is: in the Intruder, Intercept and Interrogation program, only about 10% to 15% of the beings that we processed were what we would call “alien-looking”.

Emery: Right.

Corey: Most of them were very human-looking. And they weren't augmented to look human. They were humans –

Emery: Right.

Corey: . . . just from a different planet. And they would normally be picked up in countries where they would most likely blend in.

Emery: Sure.

Corey: Like there were some Polynesian-looking ones.

Emery: Right. The Nordics and all this. Right.

David: It definitely has to be asked: if there is some kind of regulation of this, it's clearly not the United Nations. It's clearly not elected officials.

How is this governed, and who is in charge?

Corey: There are . . . I mean, most of the information from this program is very disturbing. And I've hesi . . . I have not shared it.

But an interesting thing is that if any type of a certain category of insectoid being, or any type of Reptilian being, was recovered in this program, they were turned over to the Draco.

And some of them were not friendly at all to the Draco.

David: So how would somebody who has such a diverse biological makeup be able to walk around on Earth? Like what's going on there?

Corey: Like I said, many of them look like us. Others are able to augment their appearance.

They're so highly intelligent that they're able to blend in with no problem.

And you [referring to Emery] were saying that they had jobs.

Emery: Uh-huh.

Corey: And I was there when some – it was a high-level executive – was pulled out of a high-rise building in the middle of the day.

They delta-waved everyone there, went in, and ingressed-egressed from the roof, took him out, and brought him up for interrogation.

And he had been on the Earth for well over a decade and had blended in, had created an identity, and was now at a high position in a corporation.

David: Wow!

Emery: Yeah, they prepare these extraterrestrials to come to this planet, so there is some genetic, you know, inoculations going on like what we do here as far as frequency goes, how they survive here – and even as far as getting certain procedures done on their body so they can digest our food and things like this.

David: Huh!

Emery: So there is a big augmentation for the extraterrestrial . . .

Corey: And acclimation.

Emery: And acclimation.

Corey: What was . . . When they were tracing back in the program, a lot of these beings, when the . . . their origin of when they got here – because they're able to trace it back technologically; it's very interesting – they found out that their first point of contact on this planet was an abductee – an abductee that knew what they were doing.

They were taking this extraterrestrial in, teaching them how to . . . all about taxes, all about the things from our society to help them integrate.

David: So you're saying that an ET group that looks human would scoop somebody up at night out of their home, let's say, and then bring them up to the ship and interview them about Earth culture and then learn from that?

Corey: No. I'm saying that these abductees may find . . . their friends and family may find them out of the blue having a new roommate that they are teaching how to acclimate into our society.

David: Huh! That's very interesting. So the abductee is aware that this person is not a regular person?

Corey: Absolutely.

David: How do they ensure silence?

Corey: Well, these people are dedicated to helping this race. They've got a whole mission statement, you know.

They're helping humanity, or . . . you know, for whatever reason.

But they're unapologetic when they've been interviewed.

David: So, Corey, you were starting to answer the question of how is this governed, who's in charge. And who is responsible for making the call as to whether someone is a legal or an illegal immigrant?

Corey: Ultimately it's a corporate decision. The Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate heads up that initiative.

David: And that's a division of the Secret Space Program.

Corey: It is.

David: Yeah.

Corey: And they report, obviously, to the Draco.

David: Hm.

Corey: Yeah, there were times when we would get in a Reptilian-type being that they [the being] completely were freaked out at the prospect of being sent to the Reptilians . . .

David: Oh, really.

Corey: . . . to the Draco. They were basically here scouting, looking for tactics and ways to infiltrate and defeat the Draco.

David: Oh, wow!

Corey: So that they're an enemy. And there were different types.

There were some different insectoid types as well that they were immediately on the list to be handed over. And they would scream and protest about being sent.

David: So we have talked about this on the show before, but in case someone hasn't been watching, how would an insectoid type be able to walk around on Earth undetected?

Corey: A lot of the insectoids, and I reported on Mars there were two or three different security outposts that saw a being walking their way, and they were each describing them differently.

David: Oh, really?

Corey: And one of them saw a human in their group's gear, the proper gear. Another one saw just a different . . . they saw something differently.

So these beings have this . . . And they assumed that it was part of their development as they were predators developing the ability to stun their prey with their minds, or make their prey see things.

Emery: It's a mind thing. That's right.

Corey: Right. So what they do is they can affect the consciousness of thousands of people at one time.

And some of them are technologically enhanced, and it causes us to see them. And if we were to touch them, our minds . . . what the mind perceives, the body believes.

If our mind is telling us that we're touching human skin, that's what we're going to experience. So it's all in the mind.

Emery: Right. Yeah. Absolutely. That is true.

David: Were you familiar with that happening, that beings could throw an image over their selves when someone looked at them?

Emery: Over thousands of people, even.

David: Really?

Emery: Yeah. So they have great mental magic, that they can make you believe anything and make you see anything.

And that's very dangerous in a way, but luckily there's nothing that has gone too bad with that, that I'm aware of.

But operating on these beings, which I've seen them, plus I've seen them outfitted with types of, you know . . . like you said, these other devices that are plugged directly into their body.

David: Like a wet-wired socket that's in their body?

Corey: Some.

Emery: Yes.

David: Really?

Emery: Yeah.

Corey: Some just touching it to their skin interacted with their neurology. There was no type of surgical implant.

Like the one that I talked about, it strangely enough, it was an insectoid. It had segmented arms, you know, like an insect . . .

Emery: Sure.

Corey: . . . that made its biceps and triceps, you know; its segments like this.

Emery: Yeah.

Corey: And on the bicep part of the segment was a bracelet.

Emery: Uh huh.

Corey: And they had a difficult time capturing these beings because they were able to touch this bracelet, or activate this bracelet, and they would – bzzzzz – vibrate so fast that you couldn't see them.

Emery: They're invisible.

Corey: Right. And I think it was a Marine, or one of the security guys, took it and put it on his bicep, and he turned it on, and it shook him to death violently.

Emery: Uh huh.

David: Oh, wow!

Emery: Couldn't handle it.

David: Did you ever see any type of hardware that the beings' bodies were wearing when they got brought in on these gurneys?

Emery: Oh, yes, many of them. Some had like very skin-tight suits on that were made up of billions of spheres, micro-nano spheres.

We later learned that was . . . We reverse-engineered that into these special predator suits that reflect whatever's behind you, in front of you.

David: Right.

Emery: So it's the ultimate camouflage. And that was all reverse-engineered from . . . even insectoids came in with partially clothed or whatnot. I get that question a lot.

“Do ETs or do aliens,” which is inappropriate, “wear clothing?”

And yes, they do, but it's very rare, and it's more . . .

Corey: A tool.

Emery: . . . functional.

Corey: Yeah.

Emery: Yeah, it's a tool. Ha, we said it at the same time.

And they use it. And they use it for many different things. Like these bracelets, I've seen these things on beings that come in. And some of them actually come in . . . They don't like strip it down.

The ET, when I get it, it could have things on it already and it just came to me first.

David: But you're not allowed to do anything you're not authorized to, right? So you couldn't even touch it or . . .

Emery: Oh, no, if I'm seeing it, it means that we're doing something. I have something to do with this extraterrestrial.

David: But you couldn't touch the bracelet, let's say.

Emery: No, I wouldn't touch . . . Oh, gosh, no. I would never touch anything, you know . . .

Corey: Because it's dangerous.

Emery: It's like . . . I do underwater photography and I'll film these guys all day long, swimming, grabbing these great white and these hammerheads and taking a little ride, but I'm not interacting with them, because I'm not . . . I don't know, you know . . . I don't know them well enough.

And when you see an extraterrestrial there with a bunch of gear on it, and you just need to do a skin scraping, you're not going to . . . you don't want to mess with that, because so many people have died in the projects because curiosity killed the cat.

And I've seen hundreds of videos of technicians . . . and they show us when things go bad. Everything's recorded.

So I've seen a lot of deaths on video they show us, like, “make sure this doesn't happen to you.”

David: Wow!

Emery: And that's these things where they try to take a piece of jewelry off they think . . . or to get to a spot, or they move the body in certain positions also that somehow activates something.

Corey: Or they'll release a gas or . . .

Emery: Oh, my goodness! Right.

And that's why, now, we're in spacesuits, of course, and all this stuff, because you never know, especially if you've never had that species before, what could happen.

And, you know, there's many accidents that happen that you don't hear about.

Corey: There are some chemicals that are in these beings that interact with air and moisture that will catch on fire or explode.

Emery: Yes.

David: Well, you mentioned the predator suit. And this is a question I'm sure we would get in the comment section if I don't ask it.

Would there be . . . Are there certain situations like what happened in the movie “Predator” where a being comes here and basically just wants to kill a bunch of people until somebody catches it?

Emery: I'm not aware of that. Maybe you are, Corey. I've never . . .

Corey: No. No, they come in with a very small footprint and want to be undetected. This area is policed too much for that kind of thing.

David: Well, so we can safely dispense with a lot of the fear porn that people might try to concoct if they don't have this question answered by you guys, because people are going to think that there's beings that are just going around and biting people's heads off and doing all kinds of crazy, nasty stuff.

Emery: No, no., those are called “humans”.

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: It happened in Miami.

Corey: Yeah, the biggest monsters on this planet are human.

Emery: Right.

Corey: But no, a lot of these beings, they're just here to study us and to get intel.

David: Right.

Emery: Right.

Corey: And are doing research.

David: And it sounds actually like . . . what you were saying before, Corey, that if one of these beings gets captured when it's here on an unapproved mission, that's a lot worse than if it wasn't captured because of what happens when it goes to the Draco.

Corey: Well, yeah. And also, the scope of this program, the Intercept and Interrogation Program, is they also monitor like “Men in Black”, monitor ETs that are here WITH permission that are integrated into our society.

They also manage them to keep them apart if they are groups that don't get along well. Or if they happen TO mix and not get along, then this group goes down, and they basically behave as police.

David: Well, we've talked about this before, Corey, but I also think it's important to reiterate. And I know you don't have really specific data, but do we have any sense as to how many approved immigrants there are on this planet that are not from here that are blending in our society?

Corey: It was . . . Back in the '90s, it was many, many tens of . . . I mean, many thousands.

Emery: 100,000 was the numbers I'm recently getting in the past six months.

Corey: Yeah. And it was probably a smaller number when I was in, but it was a . . . And it was in just about every country. It's well known that they were integrated.

David: Well, if you [Emery] said 100,000 is a number you got in a briefing recently, and then Corey, you said that the genetic type determines where they go, these would be maybe fairly evenly distributed throughout the planet? Or would they go to more of the developed countries instead?

Corey: It depends on their mission, like some of them are here as like the Peace Corps.

So some of them are here to spend time amongst the poorest of us, to learn about out development.

Emery: They're listening to the stories.

Corey: And how they can guide it.

Emery: Yeah, they're listening to the people's stories. And they're recording all this information from country to country into a huge database.

And they're trying to figure out what went wrong or where are we going or . . .

Corey: Our sociology, you know.

Emery: Right. They're trying to help us.

Corey: How we think.

Emery: But by doing that and getting someone to live with someone in Zimbabwe and someone in Poland and someone in Russia and someone in America, and all of these agents are recording all this stuff and finding and reading the emotion behind it and seeing how . . . you know, who's responsible for that.

And they're going up the chain, too. It's not just the regular farmers and people out in the woods. It's actually now becoming pretty popular to have this extraterrestrial exchange student and this training and stuff.

David: So if the Draco are ultimately regulating the immigration, and they are, of course, diabolical, chaotic, evil, then how would somebody get a benevolent plan approved if they're going up against this very . . .

Corey: It's more of an understanding. It's more of an understanding that if we have a certain group that presents itself, certain types of beings, that we will, because of this alliance we have with the Draco, that we will pass these prisoners on.

I'm sure we have some sort of similar agreement with them that if they run across a certain type of situation, information gets passed to us.

It's kind of how they do these treaties.

David: So maybe there are universal laws where the Draco have to allow some of this to happen as long as it's done through approved channels.

Corey: Possibly, but the Draco do not control everything. They just control a certain percentage.

David: I see. So one of the things that we had is a viewer question that we want to throw in here is regarding abductions.

Now, Emery, you talked before about PLFs. So just to set this up, could you again remind us what you knew about PLFs.

What do they look like? What does that mean? What is a PLF?

Emery: Well, Programmed Life Form is a bioengineered, cybernetic organism. And what it does is: they grow these and they outfit them for many different missions.

So one of the ones I saw looked like Felix the Cat.

David: Really?

Emery: Yeah, it was about 3½ '~4' tall. It was very agile.

It came to one of our rental homes during a CE5 expedition at night.

David: Really?

Emery: And it scared one of our master team leaders in the bedroom. And I was running a lot of security back then. And I was in that house with the core team.

And I ran . . . I just jumped out of the bed in my underwear and ran out, out of the door with my gun.

And sure enough, it was trying to get into the window of the home.

And it just stood up and walked 10'. And there was a 3' brick . . . uh, stone wall, and after that it's like a cliff, just with jagged rocks going down at like a 45° or less angle.

And I was just so amazed and intrigued by its beautiful eyes and ears. And the way it was moving was so fluid.

And it just emanated this, like, most horrible energy that makes you gut-wrenchingly sick to your stomach. But I was still able to stand. It was more like a sea-sick feeling, like just, ugh, automatically I just wanted to vomit.

So it just . . .

David: Well, now wait a minute.

Emery: Yeah.

David: When you say it looked like Felix the Cat, are we saying like comically obviously . . .

Emery: Comically.

David: . . . looking like Felix the Cat?

Emery: Comically. Think of a rubber latex Felix the Cat standing about 4' tall.

David: Oh, my gosh!

Emery: And double-jointed in the kneecaps, by the way.

And it just was . . . I had a very bright light, and I was shining it down and holding my gun, looking at it, and it just basically hopped from rock to rock so quickly and went away.

It was there for surveillance. And whoever was remote-controlling that . . . because that afternoon at noon when I looked up on the cliff about 100 stories up, [there] were two black SUVs and six suits. They didn't know I had seen them.

I was working out in the backyard and went under this rock through this canyon and looked up at them. And I totally got a great look at them.

So they were already planning it out to get in this house.

We also found very odd footprints on the outside table and spa that went up to the roof. So this being was already . . . been around the house a few times at 3:30, 4:00 AM surveilling.

So these creatures might be used for surveillance. They might be used for a one-way mission.

They're also put on a spacecraft to go to different places to gather information and hopefully come back.

Corey: They weaponize them also.

Emery: Right. They're amazing weapons. And they also . . .

Corey: Explosives and all.

David: . . . make them so they can only swim in the water maybe, or . . . you know.

So it's very . . . The way they design these . . . maybe it's going to be in the Arctic. So you need an Arctic one. You need a tropical one. You need, you know, all these different types of environments it's going to. It's geared for that environment to that specific mission.

So it's not a conscious being. This is a remote-controlled, half organic, mostly cybernetic organism that they have perfected in the MIL labs.

David: So, this viewer is thinking that if there is an authentic abduction that you're going to have organ harvesting and fetuses implanted in the body.

Emery: From a real extraterrestrial?

David: Right.

Emery: Well, I'm telling you, these beings that have traveled billions of light years . . . and that means they have something other than gas, coal and oil powering their little ship. You know, they mastered zero point energy, free energy and time and space and all this – all these physics that we are dying to have this technology.

That means they can pretty much make anything they want – ANYTHING they want. So they don't need, you know . . .

Corey: Their technology is consciousness and vibration. They understand the co-creative consciousness and everything is vibration and how to manipulate matter on a level that we just don't understand.

Emery: Exactly. So they can make gold. They can make a sperm with my DNA in it. They can make pretty much anything they want.

So they don't need anyone's eggs or sperm or fetuses or implantation. There's no need for this. They're at a very high level of consciousness. And someday, we'll be there.

The movies and everything has manipulated us to . . . and a lot of abductees have this implanted in their head or whatnot, and they really believe this.

And these things may have happened through a non-authentic abduction.

Corey: Yeah, and there's also the aspect that, like I said, most of the abductions, they are re-abductions.

People that are a part of these genetic programs where they're having fetuses implanted and these types of things, when they are returned, they are re-abducted by the military, who then go in, do some tests, try to figure out what's going on, then give the person a screen memory with our technology, which is why a lot of these abductees have a hard time, because our method is very messy.

The ET method is elegant and precise.

So they [the military] create further problems for abductees by re-abducting them, debriefing them, examining them again, further traumatizing them, and then using a subpar method of removing the memory or giving them a screen memory.

Emery: They have reoccurring nightmares, and, you know, these things keep going on. It's not helping them for what they're doing at all. But this is just the way it is right now.

David: All right, I want to ask one last question on this subject, which is kind of dumb, but I think it's important. What's the endgame? Why would a group that has colonized our Solar System and has interaction with all these ETs want us to think that ETs are evil and traumatizing us and doing these horrifying abductions?

Emery: So when they DO come and we DO kill them with our military, that we have the support of the people. We have to have the support of the people to move forward and kill these horrible, nasty creatures that are coming here to take over the planet. So that's why.

And why do that? Because if you do prove ETs exist, the first thing Harvard and Stanford physics guys are gonna ask, “Well, how the heck did they get here? They didn't use gas, coal and oil.”

“Oh, well, there's this other thing we didn't talk to you about that's been out there since 1899 . . .”

Corey: Which is . . .

Emery: “. . . the Tesla and Stubblefield know.”

Corey: Yeah, the greatest classification in the land is not that there are ETs. It's how they got here.

Emery: Right, exactly, because that solves everything. And so it's gas, coal and oil, you know.

If you prove they exist, then we gotta get rid of gas, coal and oil, because we don't need them anymore.

David: All right. Emery, we had a question in the comments from one of the episodes that was just you and me regarding benevolent abductions, your understanding of that, because it appeared in the comments, some people thought that you were saying that ALL abductions were PLFs, that there's nothing going on that's positive.

Emery: No. Right. No, of course not. That definitely happens: where these abductions come and maybe to help somebody out or maybe to educate someone on something.

And there's also these other close encounters where people are actually going to the craft or walking up to the ET to meet them in a very nonchalant way and not showing fear and showing a more welcome attitude and a high consciousness, which is happening all over now.

And people are contacting extraterrestrials.

So people are wanting this. And the abductees . . . I think what has happened from my experience of listening to these people is: it's always been a very positive outcome of whatever it was.

And I notice a lot of these people were going through very hard times of their life or they were injured or they had a very bad disease.

David: Hm.

Emery: And they were taken aboard this ship without knowing, but it turned out to be a really beautiful thing for them.

David: It sounds to me like if this military-industrial complex space program is creating this fear of negative ETs, that that's the same as how every other conquering race has demonized indigenous people and said: “They're savages. They're blood drinkers. They're dangerous. We've got to wipe them out.”

So they're just doing the same thing, except now instead of it being continents and oceans, it's planets between planets.

Emery: Correct. You know, we are kind of just divide and conquer. The human race just goes places, and the more intelligent human on the planet teaching the savages to “study this religion and do this or you're going to die” type of thing, which we've done in the past, is now the opposite.

We're the dumb ones, they're thinking, and they're too smart for us, so they're going to do what we did.

Corey: Right.

Emery: And the thing is: they're not like that.

Corey: Columbus all over again.

Emery: Right. So don't think like a human is what I'm trying to get at.

David: So I want to dumb it down a little bit here. And I want to talk about the abduction phenomenon that most people in conventional ufology are aware of.

And just to set this up . . .

Emery: So PLFs are used for that. I know there's a lot of comments online, and people are like, “Well, he doesn't believe in real . . .”

Well, no, there are. I'm not saying it's ALL just those abductions, PLFs.

Corey: And these are usually the human abductions that come AFTER the alien abductions.

Emery: Right.

Corey: And they use PLFs and puppets.

Emery: Sure.

Corey: They use puppets, too, and they drug the people.

Emery: Right, and they drug the people.

David: So what people are seeing as Greys, is that a PLF in a lot of cases?

Emery: I'm saying that probably 90% of a lot of these abductions are, you know, man-made, human-made. And, you know, others are . . . real and are possibly real.

And I think that people out there need to understand that it's just through my experience and through my briefings and knowing people who have been on these projects that this is how they do it.

And they definitely mind-wash you and they brainwash you and they put these . . . you know, after they, like Corey just said: they'll come up to the house, gas the house, and at the same time, there will be a puppet outside the window, you know.

And then the next thing you know, you're knocked out, okay, and you wake up in an operating room. And you're groggy, and they gave you medications that make you kind of forget-not-forget.

Corey: Yeah, any anesthesia is . . .

David: Why is [it that] everyone can't be really specific about it, because everyone's always a little . . . , you know . . . not everyone, but most people . . . and it's because you're drugged.

And, you know, they want you just to see a couple things. They want you to see a big Grey or a little Grey running around, poking you in the butt or whatever.

And what happens is: you wake up in your bed the next day or on the side of the road, and you were abducted. And they WERE abducted.

Now, who abducted them is the question. And it WAS a real abduction, and you DID have something done to you. But was it extraterrestrial is the question.

Corey: Yeah. And another thing is these Grey-looking PLFs are standard hardware for many different ET groups.

Emery: Right.

Corey: So many times, the ETs, when they do abduct, they'll be in the next room, and it could be an insectoid. It could be any type, including a human.

Emery: Right.

Corey: But they all use this same type of PLF. And it is in there doing the hands-on work of doing whatever procedures are.

And it's not only so that we don't know who they are, but it's also kind of like wearing a spacesuit. You know, they don't have to worry about getting any type of viruses or anything else from the subject.

Emery: Right. That's why they're so good, the PLFs.

Corey: Uh huh.

David: Okay, we are out of time, but I wanted to end this on a positive note, because we're getting into some disturbing material here.

So I want to give both you guys a chance to do a little 30-second elevator speech on this. Do you think that what we're doing with this show to promote disclosure will stop the abductions? And if so, why?

Corey: Yes, disclosure is going to stop a lot of the human abductions . . . the human-led abductions.

Most of these human-led abductions are really re-abs or re-abductions. They're trying to figure out and catalog, follow, what the ETs are doing with us when they pick us up in abductions.

I recently reported that this genetic experiment is pretty much coming, not to an end, but humanity is going to take over their own management of this genetic program.

So, yes, we are about to go through a very empowered period to where we're going to be in control of our own genetic and spiritual determination.

And there's not going to be a need for all of these beings to come down and abduct us.

David: Right. Emery, how . . . what about your thoughts on this?

Emery: Yeah, I agree with that. And I also think that once disclosure does happen, you know, that also opens the doors for extraterrestrials to come here safely.

So there is going to be a huge meeting of many different races of extraterrestrials in the Galactic Federation.

And what's going to happen is: once these extraterrestrials actually do show themselves and everyone will be able to lower their shields down because you'll notice, “Well, my goodness, talking to you, you're not so bad after all.”

So these things all have to be factored in as us opening our arms to these people to actually bring cool technology also to us and to help us.

And they will also help us find out who HAS BEEN doing the abductions. And they will help protect us from the other ones that are doing the abductions.

David: Right.

Emery: So there's this really joint venture out there right now, and they're just waiting for us to get our heads screwed on right.

Corey: Uh huh.

Emery: So I think it's going to be a good thing. I think people will have open arms. I know I will.

And it will be a big transition, like Corey said, and there will be a lot of education immediately put out on phones and computers and emails. And it'll be instantaneous. It'll be very quick.

David: All right. Well, this is really fascinating. Thank you, Emery. Thank you, Corey. And thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”.







Cosmic Disclosure: Rise of the Moss-Man

David Wilcock: Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. I'm here with our special guest, Emery Smith.

And in this episode, we're going to walk through what happened after he left the underground base.

Emery, welcome back.

Emery Smith: Thanks, Dave..

David: Let's now talk through how your assignment with these autopsies ended. First of all, you had mentioned before that about every four months you got another security clearance. And I believe you said that you had stopped at A22.

Is that correct?

Emery: That's correct.

David: Okay. How many cycles of this autopsy tour of duty, if you will, did you do? How long were you actually . . .

Emery: About 22. About 22 quarterly advancements.

David: Okay.

Emery: I never failed to get an advancement every quarter. So it took about an average of 4½, 5 years.

I finished my active duty in 5.5 years.

David: Now, did you continue to do your cover job the whole time you worked down there?

Emery: Yeah, I stayed an additional two quarters, actually, after I got out of the military. And they know things started getting a little different down there because – I think I told you this once before – I started getting bodies that were pretty warm.

And I could tell that they were very recent by the rigor mortis that barely set in.

But after I finished my work with the United States Air Force, I decided to stay working in the underground labs of Sandia and Los Alamos.

David: Did that allow you to have more hours since you didn't have a cover job any more?

Emery: Absolutely, . . .

David: Okay.

Emery: . . . it sure did.

David: So tell me the difference between a shift that you would have had . . . Like, walk us through your typical day before you left the Air Force to after you left the Air Force.

Like, how many hours did you work? Where did you go? Just so we have a sense of that.

Emery: Yes, my work started at 5:30 AM at the Kirtland Air Force Base Hospital.

David: Okay.

Emery: We worked till about 2:30 to 3:30 PM, and then I went into work at 7:00 PM at the underground location.

And I would stay there, usually, anywhere from 4~8 hours, and then just go home and repeat that anywhere from 5~7 days a week.

The active duty job at Kirtland Air Force Base, I only worked Monday through Friday, pulling emergency trauma call usually one weekend a month.

And during these times, by pulling call, I was not allowed to work in the underground bases because I was not allowed to have a beeper, and beepers don't work down there.

David: So once you left the Air Force, what was your schedule like in the underground base?

Emery: It was great. I kept the same hours because I liked working evenings. I'm a night person, and I'm very productive at night.

So I'd go in around 5:00 PM and be out of there by 1:00 or 2:00 AM. Sometimes, I would have to stay longer. Sometimes, I had to spend the night there.

I started transitioning over from doing the harvesting and autopsy work and moving more in the direction of biologics and was part of their biological warfare division where they were making all sorts of . . . types of things to control viruses and to also deploy viruses around the world.

David: Well, certainly in terms of known international agreements like the Geneva Convention, we're not supposed to be using conventional chemical weapons or biological weapons.

Emery: Correct.

David: But this clearly sounds like they didn't care about that.

Emery: Yeah, no, it was a total disregard for humanity. And they were trying to figure out how to make a virus that was very specific to your lineage.

So . . . And they would deploy these via using contrails with the jets. You know, you heard about these conspiracy theories.

And that's one way they would do it, was just to spray a city. And let's say they could get the lineage DNA from a specific ethnic race maybe. And if you had that genetic code in you, it would wipe out all that race, all that part of the human race.

David: Well, clearly nothing like that's actually been done because we're all still here.

Emery: Correct.

David: But they were trying to find things like this?

Emery: Yeah, and they took extraterrestrial DNA . . . Some extraterrestrials a long time ago could program their leukocytes and monocytes to combat certain genetic races.

So if you programmed your leukocytes and white blood cells, neutrophils, and whatnot to attack someone like me, and I was a different race, you would just have to come up to me and your body already has a virus in it which your white blood cells are okay with.

And by touching me or sneezing on me or just communicating with me somehow physically or airborne-wise, you could give me this virus, and it would kill me.

David: Well, I could see skeptics attacking you on this point because leukocytes would involve . . . they would need to involve blood to blood contact I would assume.

Emery: The leukocytes are protecting them from my virus. So if I have a virus and you know you have a virus, we can't really fight each other or touch each other because we'll die.

So those leukocytes were ramped up to fight this specific virus that I'm going to give you.

David: Okay.

Emery: So once it was airborne or transmitted through any blood pathogen wise or whatnot, it would get into your system.

David: I still don't really think I've heard you say why they would . . . How would they justify designing an ethno-specific virus? What was the angle? What would they tell you about why this was necessary?

Emery: I was told there's some religious organizations and factions out there that are actually trying to do this.

And just in case one day there is some sort of mass extinction of barely killing almost more than half of the population, and they wanted to get control over it.

And if they had some sort of gender, race beef with somebody, and they wanted to get rid of a certain type of race, that's how they would release this.

David: Wow!

Emery: Yes.

David: Were they trying to develop it for every type of person on Earth?

Emery: Well, I don't know that. I was just . . . I know this because I heard scientists talking about it. And it wasn't in a briefing that I read. I've actually heard the scientists talking about this type of technology.

And I was in a lower echelon part of the base once I got out of my active duty service from the military and was working on growing proteins and things.

David: Well, this is very disturbing stuff, and I'm curious as to what stories do they tell people who are working on this to make them feel like they're doing a good job, or they're serving their country.

What was the angle?

Emery: Yeah, the angle for that is most of them do know they're doing this. And I know some scientists that have been in these projects that had a change of heart halfway through.

And these scientists, sometimes, if they try to get out and they're that deep in, they will make sure that you can't get out.

And they will inoculate you with things, so if you did return to the surface without getting the antidote, you would die from sunlight.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes. And this is how they keep control of the scientists. Many of them have families on the outside, and they get fed up with some of the things that are going on because they're afraid that if something did happen, it would maybe affect their grandchildren or their daughters and sons.

So they are starting to stand up now – the scientists in here. And they're starting to fight back.

And the White Hats out there, the Cabal, are also getting a little bit upset about the small percentage of the Cabal that is kind of death and destruction.

David: Okay, so let's now go through how your time working in the underground base ended. You had mentioned something about that warm specimens came in.

Did you decide that you wanted to quit and submit a resignation?

Emery: Yes.

David: How did this happen?

Emery: That's exactly what I did. Just like you would with a normal job, you have to fill out a lot of paperwork, and you have to be tracked for x amount of time.

Mine was 20 years after I got out that I had to be willing to come in for questioning if needed. Or if I had surgeries, I would have to notify them. If I was traveling to hazardous locations, I would have to notify them.

There was different types of lists of things that you had to follow in order for you have a nice discharge from the underground civilian lab.

David: When Pete Peterson's wife died, they . . . the people he'd been working for brought him in for an extended two month debriefing because they were very worried that the emotional trauma of losing this woman he was very attached to might cause him to start talking.

So did they monitor your life for these types of crises and could you end up getting brought back in if something happened?

Emery: Yes, absolutely, they did. And it's happened even after my 20 years. I was approached even recently after my mother passed away last year.

So, yes, they do keep tabs, and it doesn't bother me at all. I mean, I know they're always looking anyway. There's no sacred secret conversation on this planet, that's for sure, because everything is recorded everywhere.

And they've had that technology when I was there. So that was 20 years ago that they had the technology to record all the vibrations on the planet and every voice.

David: You've probably heard about these satellites from the National Reconnaissance Office that are constantly recording the surface of the Earth where everybody is and have enough resolution that they could actually read the fine print on your driver's license if you were just holding it in your hand.

Emery: Good grief, that was in the 1960s, sir.

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: You know what we can do now? We can see what's inside the walls.

We can see what kind of termite is eating inside your wall. And that's public information now that they're doing in South America. Big corporation that's usually using that something, using that technology for spying, but now they're using it to make money to support their, you know, other agendas.

So, yeah, these things have been around for a while. And you can go pretty much anywhere on the planet in 40 minutes with these satellites and get HD 4K pictures of anyone, regardless if there's cloud coverage, . . .

David: Hm.

Emery: . . . you know, and also get a wave form back of exactly what it is.

David: Wow!

Emery: Yeah.

David: So let's go to the point now where you filed all this paperwork and you get discharged. What is your life like immediately after you left this job?

You're not in the military anymore. You're not working underground anymore.

Where did you go? What did you do? And when was your next contact with the classified world?

Emery: Well, actually, I stayed in contact with the classified world in a medium state, which means: if there is a project coming or people are coming that you're needed because of a very specific special thing, then I can go back and do a couple weeks or a week work with them.

David: Oh.

Emery: So I actually kept my clearance. And that you have to do twice a year. You have to check in and re-get your clearance and whatnot.

But I was . . . from that point, I stayed in New Mexico another couple of years, and then I went back to my hometown in Fort Myers, Florida to take care of my family. My mom and dad were not doing so well.

David: Well, but what did you do in New Mexico? Were you employed; do you have a job?

Emery: Yeah. Absolutely. I'm sorry.

David: Okay.

Emery: So after I got out of the underground projects, I stayed in New Mexico for an additional couple of years and was working at the University of New Mexico Hospital as a surgical first assist.

David: During those couple of years you said they would call you in at least twice a year for these checkups.

Emery: The twice a year is like keeping your clearance verification updated, because I would take at least maybe four days a month every now and then and work in the project still.

David: Okay. What types of assignments were you doing at that time? Could you walk us through one example of you working for four or five days after you had left the base full-time?

Emery: Yeah, at that time, I was just working with cells and culturing cells – not of Earth origin cells, I'll say, - but that were very alive and well, and growing cells in Petri dishes. So nothing too exciting.

I moved away from all the autopsy stuff because I just . . . after having a couple of these beings come that were warm, I just had a really different feeling.

And then after meeting beings and seeing how beings are and not knowing any stories that I was not privy to, you know, it was just kind of . . . I just didn't feel like it was right anymore, you know . . . to be part of that.

David: So let's go now to . . . How did you get to Fort Myers and did you continue to interface with this classified world, and through what means?

Emery: Yes, I did. I stayed in contact with them and checked in twice a year. And just a few times they had some questions about some extraterrestrials that I had worked on in the past.

David: Did you have to travel back to New Mexico?

Emery: Yes, yes, I did. I had to travel . . .

David: And how did you do that?

Emery: I just got on a flight and traveled back.

David: Okay.

Emery: And the same thing: I would stay off base and would come in in the mornings, actually, instead of the evenings and get my duties, my duty paperwork, and show up to the gate at Sandia, and then actually go through a different location that goes underground through there, and not the same location.

I don't know why they changed it once I got out. Maybe they just changed locations for their own reasons. I have no idea.

David: Did this means of entering the base have anything different from what you described was before, or was it just a different door?

Emery: No, it was a little different because now I'm working with biologics that are very dangerous. And you actually have to be monitored before you go in and after you go in through these special analyzers that you have to walk through.

So you have to go through this area to get cleansed. And one of these things would be called a dry plasma shower.

And the dry plasma shower basically was taking samples and killing surface bacteria that was all over you, that you just normally have. And it also somehow counts particles on your body to see if they resonate frequencies of known bad cellular material.

David: Could you wear clothes while you have the dry plasma?

Emery: Yes, you can.

David: Oh!

Emery: You can wear clothes. On the way out, though, you have to go through that with no clothes.

There's another one that you have to go through after you change in the locker room, and it's up to you if you want to do it, but it's a protocol. It's like not made for you to do, but everyone does it. We just do it as a precaution.

There's a very small percentage that you may have had something when you leave those – not to say something is a bad something, but something you could have picked up from somebody else.

David: So I assume that your outdoor clothes are quarantined on the outside, and your indoor clothes are quarantined on the inside.

Emery: Correct. Yes.

David: Okay. So give me an example of a specific extraterrestrial species that you had autopsied before that you were called back in for more consultations on later. Tell us what it looked like and why did you get called back?

Emery: Well, they were mutating a bunch of extraterrestrials. So part one of the extraterrestrials that we were actually working on looked like a smaller human being – kind of troll-like. But it also had plant DNA in it.

David: Hm.

Emery: And it was very . . .It would probably remind you of one of those ghillie suits that snipers wear full of moss and leaves.

So think of a 24” to 36” tall troll-like being that has, instead of hair, it has real plant life growing on it.

David: Wow!

Emery: Yes! And it also uses the energy from UV light to keep it healthy. And it actually absorbs moisture through its skin, and it's very mossy like.

And it has . . . I've seen many of these. Some have, like, . . . it looks like a wig, like hair, but they're so extremely mossy, like It on “The Addams Family”, that you cannot see its face unless you actually started pushing away the plant life that's growing on this creature.

David: Would this plant life cause it to feel physical pain if it was removed?

Emery: No.

David: Or was it more like body hair?

Emery: No, it's more like body hair, but the closer you get to where the stem is, the more nerve fibers and neurons that are in it.

So neurologically, the plant life has binded and mutated with real cellular material. That was a human and an ET.

David: I can't read your mind about why you say it's troll-like. Was there something about its face that was unusual?

Emery: Yes. The face . . .

David: Could you describe exactly what?

Emery: Yeah, I can tell you that on the face and neck of these types of creatures, it's like a bark on a pine tree, and it's very rough and cracked-like, very cracked.

So if you could dry a gray piece of clay in the Sun, and you know how it just crumbles and cracks away, that's exactly what it looks like.

But they do have a nose. They have a mouth. They have ears and they have eyes.

David: Well, a troll, for example, somebody might think of a really pronounced lower jaw with two teeth coming up like this or something.

Emery: No, no canine teeth like that – just regular teeth. And the insides are red and pink, like our mouths. And they have a tongue and they breathe.

It's just they get a lot of their energy from their skin.

David: Do they have this plant life growing off of their face, or is the face area . . . if you pull it back . . .

Emery: Just the face area is, like I said, it's this crumbly, crackly, bark-like hard core, very tough-looking face, very rigid, with no muscles in the face that you could tell for them to smile, or they can open their jaw and things like that.

But no facial features that you could really tell because of the roughness of this skin.

David: What were the facial proportions like compared to an Earth human?

Emery: Their head was much larger than the body, so you're looking at a head that would be maybe just a half a size larger than our normal head.

David: What about the relationship of the size of the eyes, nose and mouth to the face?

Emery: It was very compact because you're looking at a 36” being here.

So, you know, if you think of someone has dwarfism, for instance, around that kind of size where the legs and the bones are a little bit more compacted, not long and lean like ours are.

And they may have this moss growing all over their body. And you might even have leaves and vines coming out of the bodies, especially on the back.

The most pronounced is on the back where you have these vines and you have this moss growing off them. And then you have just the regular green moss you see growing on rocks on a stream, let's say, on the rest of the body.

And very, very small hands and very, very small feet.

David: So you're saying that this is not a natural species, but this was an engineered life form?

Emery: Correct.

David: Why would they want to make a vegetable/hominid being? Is it for covert work to conceal itself?

Emery: It is. It's for covert work. They can go weeks without eating, as long as they have sunlight and water.

They can make their own nutrients through this plant interaction with cells.

David: Hm.

Emery: And it's very fascinating science, by the way, of how that all is intertwined. But they did it.

David: Did you ever get to see or interact with a live moss being, as we can call it?

Emery: Yes, absolutely.

David: Okay. How did it communicate?

Emery: It communicated with its hands.

David: Really?

Emery: Yeah, a type of sign language, yes.

David: And what was the feeling that you got from it? How was its level of intelligence, its level of ethics, its consciousness?

Emery: You know, I hate to say not negative, but it is a creepy, spooky type of being. And it's very quiet and it's very docile.

It reminds me of kind of like a chameleon that just kinda sits there and moves kinda slowly, like a sloth.

And they're not very hyperactive beings. They're just a very slow type of being. And they are taught, from what I was told – I don't know this for a fact – but I was told through second-hand information that they were taught at a very young age how to communicate because they lack vocal cords.

David: Oh. So their face doesn't move very much?

Emery: No.

David: You said it's very hardened?

Emery: Yeah, It's very hardened. It barely moves, but they can chew.

David: Do their eyes look like ours, or is there something different about the eyes?

Emery: They're black.

David: They're black?

Emery: Black eyes.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes.

David: Wow!

Emery: There is no pupil. You cannot see their pupil. They're pitch black, which does frighten some people.

David: So what would be the objective? If they were going to deploy these beings into the field, would these beings actually be used on the surface of the Earth?

Would they be for surveillance? Would they be trained to assassinate people?

What would they be doing?

Emery: Not to kill. They're not that adept, but definitely for surveillance. I mean, the best . . . What better creatures – one that can't make a sound.

David: Hm.

Emery: Engineered that way, by the way.

David: So give me an example of where the military-industrial complex would deploy a being like this for surveillance purposes?

Obviously, it could camouflage very well.

Emery: I can only speculate.

David: Okay.

Emery: I was not part of any deployment program to spy on with them. So alls I can say is: you would not know one if you even stepped on it. I mean, they're THAT covered in whatever . . . They can add foliage to the mossy skin, by the way, to . . .

So let's say they're going to an area where it needs these types of colors. So they can get fungi and different types of moss and implant this on the body, and it will grow into that skin.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes, which is fascinating. So they can pretty much mask any type of field grass, any type of trees around the world, you know, by . . .

David: So part of their body would be like soil, and you could actually plant things in it?

Emery: It's not soil, but it's a honeycomb matrix of collagen tissue that can hold water for many, many weeks. It's like a skin.

And it's embedded in the skin and comes out of the skin, just like a honeycomb, but very small, on a very small size – micro-millimeter size. Yeah.

David: So had you first encountered these beings while you were still working full-time in the underground base?

Emery: Yes, I did. And I think because of these beings coming from an Inner Earth place, they were somehow able to grow things on them already.

David: Oh, so you're saying there was an initial stock of being that they got from the Inner Earth that they modified.

Emery: Right. And they mixed it with more plant life and made it more into this robust creature.

David: Hm!

Emery: Yes.

David: So had you seen them alive back when you worked in the underground base? Or was this more of an autopsy situation?

Emery: I've seen them grown, yes.

David: How would they be grown?

Emery: In a big glass aquarium-type thing with UV lights, suspended off the ground about 3' on these planter-type things.

David: So since we're almost out of time here, I'm just curious if there's anything else interesting about the moss being that you could share with us?

Emery: Absolutely.

David: It's so bizarre.

Emery: One of the most amazing things is these things cannot procreate.

David: Oh!

Emery: They do not have organs like we do, but they do make seeds.

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: And these seeds have DNA in them. Now, it's not full of human tissue, okay? It's still all plant life.

David: Hm.

Emery: Yeah, and I saw a collection of these seeds in an incubator when I was leaving. And one of my colleagues was talking about their doing a new experiment on another type of one of these moss beings.

And I asked why the clearance for you to talk about it was very open. He goes, “No, but I can show you the new incubators that were brought in.”

And we were walking by, and I just remember looking through this giant 3' circular window and there was a seed in there as big as you – a lot of them.

David: Wow!

Emery: And I just . . . I really just was taken aback. And that was it. I mean, I wasn't even allowed to know anymore. I wasn't even allowed to speak.

David: Is it your understanding that the seed could somehow be gestated and become another one of these beings?

Emery: That's what I'm thinking, or where did THAT seed come from?

David: Ha.

Emery: What dropped THAT seed?

David: Right.

Emery: I mean . . . I mean . . . They're up to some amazing things in there. And there are no rules. There are no regulations.

David: So could you tell us: What was the reason why you were called back in after you had moved to Fort Myers to deal with this specific being again? What had happened or what was the reasoning behind that?

Emery: There was an incident on the lab and the team was destroyed.

David: An incident. Could you be a little more specific?

Emery: No.

David: Hm. Well, I would imply from what you said that there was some sort of hostile interaction with one of these beings?

Emery: No, not from the beings.

David: Oh, okay. So for some reason this is something that you really don't want to tell us, or you were ordered not to say. Is that correct?

Emery: I just can't . . . Like, it's just too much to . . . I know those people, so . . .

David: Hm.

Emery: It's too hard for me to talk about.

David: Okay. Can you give us another example of something interesting that you were called back for when you were living in Fort Myers?

Emery: I did go back just for the normal tissue sampling a couple of times. And it was just because they were short on technicians and short on staff.

I know there was an outbreak one time in the facility, and 20% of the facility people caught a very rare virus. And it's kind of like the hantavirus. I don't know if it was the hantavirus.

Sorry, I don't know if you guys know about that. There was an outbreak of that in 1993. And there's a virus . . .

David: You're talking about the hantavirus?

Emery: Yeah.

David: Yeah.

Emery: And that virus . . . that was actually made in that facility.

David: This is the flesh-eating bacteria?

Emery: No, it gives you more like flu-like symptoms, and a . . . to death pretty quickly.

David: Wow!

Emery: And you're ferociously vomiting and diarrhea, and your lungs start to shut down, and it's hard to breathe.

David: Hm.

Emery: So there was a similar virus like that that actually broke out in the lab and people were deathly ill. Almost 20% of the bio area, the biologics area, was so sick. And, you know, they were not allowed to return to service. They had to go to the hospital, the underground hospital, and be quarantined.

David: Wow! Were there a lot of casualties?

Emery: Ah, yeah, there was. Half of the 20% passed.

David: Oh, wow!

Emery: Yeah.

David: So you were brought in because of your expertise on this to try to help stop the outbreak?

Emery: No, I actually was just going so they could keep working – just normal work.

David: Oh, you were just like a fill-in.

Emery: I was just a fill-in – just PRN. [Pro re nata – literally “for the thing born”; a medical term meaning “as needed”.]

David: Wow! I'm curious – in just the last couple of minutes we have here – we've talked about some negative uses of this, but I'm wondering if this same technology could be used for positive purposes. And if so, do you have any specific knowledge about that?

Emery: Funny thing you asked that because part of this story that I had to return to New Mexico because of this outbreak of a virus that was made there that 20% of the people contracted, they designed a virus to kill that virus . . .

David: Oh, really?

Emery: . . . and save the other 10% in less than a few days.

David: Oh, wow!

Emery: And it's really hard to make a whole new species of bacteria or a virus in just a couple of days.

David: Wow!

Emery: They did not have this on the shelf. I know that for sure. But since then, they have been able to make viruses that fight viruses or bacteria that fight viruses.

And so it was a good thing that came out of it, even though it was a horrific, horrific accident that happened in there.

And THAT is now being employed in other civilian-use places, I believe.

And it's coming out really slowly because they're doing a lot of data [collection] on it. And I think that's a positive thing.

I just know that through the part of the hybrid things I was involved with, they were changing DNA with viruses.

And it was the easiest way to mix a protein with a protein where it's accepted. So the whole body would change.

And then they would take those cells and grow it and/or inoculate another being.

And that's what they kept doing is inoculating beings over and over and over with these different types of viruses. And then you have this super being.

David: So we could have, for example, people starting to have super visions, super hearing, psychic abilities perhaps, all from these types of inoculation.

Emery: That's correct.

David: Well, that's very fascinating. Well, Emery, I want to thank you for coming forward. This is very fascinating, very bizarre information.

Emery: Very bizarre.

David: But sometimes the fact that it's so bizarre makes me more inclined to believe that it's true . . .

Emery: Yeah.

David: . . . because who would have ever invented or thought of something like this?

Emery: It's definitely a hard nut to crack.

David: Yeah, that's for sure. And I want to thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure” with our special guest, Emery Smith.







Cosmic Disclosure: A Day In The Life Underground

David Wilcock: Welcome to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. We are here with our guest, Emery Smith.

In this episode, we're going to talk about what it is like to have a day in the life on a highly classified underground base.

Emery, welcome back to the show.

Emery Smith: Hey, Dave.

David: We've talked in some length now about your autopsy experiences. We've kind of had an overview of that.

So I think you're painting, now, a very intriguing picture, and it would be hard to spend some time in that world and then leave that world.

Was there ever a time that you got to stay in that world, that you actually stayed overnight at the base?

Emery: Yes, yes. Many times I had to stay the night in the base – I think maybe up to 60 times, actually, total.

And the reason for that depends. There's many different reasons why you would have to spend the night in a base.

They go on lockdown sometimes when you're working there, and you might not know why it's a lockdown. But you're there, they close the hatches, and now you're going to be spending an additional amount of time there other than your work duty time – that you do get paid for, by the way, long as you're there.

And they have facilities there that are very nice, that you can stay the night, like barracks and whatnot, your own room, your own lavatory, a little even social areas where other people can also live.

The base . . . You could actually live there indefinitely.

And then getting back to why a lockdown would happen, there could have been a breach somehow into the base from another known contractor or other known entity, and everything gets locked down for a while.

And I do recall one time there was a huge explosion . . . that I could actually feel this vibration of this electromagnetic weapon.

And I don't know where it came from, but part of the base, maybe a whole acre of the base, was completely destroyed from this explosion.

Now, the rumors I heard was they were practicing . . . utilizing some sort of electromagnetic weapon, and it completely disintegrated a huge sphere of the base.

And there was no radiation or anything like that, but they were just trying to contain the fires and the gas fires that were lit from this explosion, because they use a lot of different flammable gases and chemicals down there.

So now it became a contaminant issue of locking down all the air handlers in that area, locking down all the valves in the different rooms and whatnot.

And, you know, that took up probably 20 hours, I think, I was there for that one.

So these things happen, and you get a nice place to stay, and then you'll just be updated. And you'll hear either over an intercom, on your folder, or on your armband. And that's what happens.

David: If you get a nice place to stay, how conventional is it? How much would it be like going to a hotel room as opposed to something odd like you might see in “Star Trek: The Next Generation”?

Emery: Yes. No, it's . . . the rooms are never perfectly square. For some reason, they have trapezoidal shapes. There are many different shaped rooms.

And all of the furniture is actually built into the wall and actually comes out of the wall if you wanted to have a sit down or work at a desk.

It has a huge interactive screen on the wall. The screen is three-dimensional. You can do things like go on the Internet, you can read books, you can watch movies, you can order food – my favorite.

And it's a really interesting dynamic because the room looks like – when you walked in – completely like, “Oh, my gosh, they just gave me a room without a bed.” You know, there's nothing in there.

And it's all built into the walls of the room.

I'm not talking about your stand in Murphy bed, either, closet bed that pops out. These are really beautiful.

The architecture of this is seamless, just like on the crafts. So these things will come out of the wall for saving space.

And these rooms are also used for different things. So maybe the room tonight is going to be used for someone to sleep here and spend the night, and maybe tomorrow it will be used for storage.

Or maybe it'll be used for housing different types of extraterrestrial races because they're all different. They need different types of furniture, different types of living facilities and restrooms and whatnot.

David: Okay. I'm really curious about one thing. If you're saying that, like, the bed would extrude out of the wall, is it going to be this weird rubber sheet, or does it actually have sheets like you would have on a typical bed?

Like, in other words, . . .

Emery: Yeah, great question.

David: . . .is the bed with the sheets hidden on like a sliding tray, or is it more like it just kind of morphs out of something?

Emery: No, it is kind of industrial, where it actually either comes out of the wall or out of the floor. It raises our of the floor, or comes out of the wall.

David: Okay.

Emery: And there's always a cover on these things, a very light cover that you pull off. And it has whatever bedding for that race. Like for us, of course, we would just have sheets and things like you said.

You also can control the temperature in your room. You can control the humidity, because different races need certain atmospheres to sleep in. So there's all these different things.

There also needs different lighting. So there's different . . . So you can actually put, like, if you wanted ultraviolet light in your room for some reason.

Many extraterrestrials have special lighting that they are accustomed to. They don't like the lighting that we have. It's uncomfortable for them. So they can take off their protective eyewear and rest and whatnot.

So there's many different things for this one little room. It's like having your own little spaceship, actually.

And you can also change the background noise.

And there's always a wall in there that projects, let's say, an outside display like the ocean or a mountain top, and it's because psychologically, it just helps us better to be in that environment and less stress and anxiety to be on the body.

And you can also preview other photos that are already there and videos that show on the wall from other realms and planets, which was really neat because not everyone that's not from Earth would want to see a beach, I'll say.

David: This sounds like something that you'd really want to spend time in. It sounds really, really cool.

Being in this room were you able to sleep, or were you so jazzed by seeing alien worlds and technology that you just want to stay up all night just play around with it?

Emery: Well, yeah. It's like your screen saver that comes . . . All these pictures come on your screen saver with your computer.

And once you've seen all 50 of them, it's like old hat. It's not a big deal. So where you want to pick today? What screen do you want?

The neat thing about sleeping is the bed is actually also self-contained. So it'll have like a . . . On the sides of it, it actually comes in like a spiral, and it's like a little globe, and it comes over your bed.

And that is for more with other races, where they have to have the environment pressurized for their body types.

And inside that, which is neat, is kind of like you see the generic mood lighting you would have at a restaurant or whatever. There's these little diagrams on the inside of the bed, like right on the side, on the top right side.

And it's like a little computer screen, and you can pick your moisture. You can pick your mood lighting. You can even pick a breeze of stuff. And I don't know exactly where it comes from. I think it comes from under the bed, to be honest, because I've never seen a fan on this, but you do feel circulating air, which is neat.

And then you can also change the temperature in there compared to what's on the outside of the bed.

So it is actually air tight because you can create a vacuum in there.

David: So let's talk about the lockdown situation a little bit more. How do you know that there is a lockdown, first of all? Is there like an intercom system, or what happens?

Emery: Well, as you're working in the operating room, don't forget, there's a system in there where they are always in contact with you through their helmets. So you can hear if something's going on.

You know, they'll come on and say, “We have a lockdown”. Okay? It's not like I can respond to that. Can't ask them why, where or what. You know, it's all because of security. And it's a normal thing.

And they'll do fake lockdowns all the time just so you get used to the alarms, you get used to the red lights, you get used to these things that are signaling you so you don't overreact. “Oh, it's just another test. I'm going to keep . . .”

So it's just like we have fire alarm checks in hotels and hospitals and airports, you know. They have to do that every now and then.

And sometimes, you know, you get used to that because you know once a month it happens.

So when it really DOES happen, and all of a sudden you DON'T hear within a few minutes that it's just an alarm check, then you might think, “Oh, there must be something going on. I guess I'm not going home tonight.”

David: But somebody at some point briefed you on what a lockdown is and the level of danger that it might be? So could you tell us about how that information was conveyed?

Emery: Ah, well, you have to go through the training - part of your training in here that you have to do quarterly. Like in hospitals you have to get TB tested; you have to have your CPR accreditation every year. It's the same thing in these test facilities and the real facilities.

You have in-services where they're saying, “This is what happens on a lockdown. You stay where you're at. You don't go anywhere until we tell you where to go.”

If there's an over-hour lockdown, which means it goes over your business hours, your working duty hours, then you'll be instructed to go to a certain part of the facility where you can go into your room and maybe get something to eat at the cafeteria, or just kind of waiting it out, basically, is what you're doing.

David: Could you tell us a little bit about the cafeteria, because when I hear cafeteria, I think of trays, and you go and you have scoops of food. You dump them on your thing. Or maybe somebody does that for you. You say, “I want that; I want that.”

Then you go to your table after you got your silverware. You paid a cashier.

How would this cafeteria be, like that, or is it different?

Emery: The cafeterias are nothing like we have here that we would normally see when you go out to eat.

These cafeterias are very plain on the inside. All the walls have a transparent mirror image coating where you can just touch the wall, order your menu of whatever you want.

And let's say you wanted to have a salad with grilled chicken. That'll be on there.

It's just like when someone's taking your order. You're taking your own order on this wall.

David: Would this be like an iPad kind of thing?

Emery: No, the entire wall. And these walls are huge and long. Some of the cafeterias there are like 60' (18.3M] long.

And they have very . . . The chairs and the tables look so bland, kind of like a steel picnic table with stools. And some have backs, some don't.

Some are very large chairs. Some are very small for different sized people and different sized races.

Some chairs don't look anything like chairs. Some have large countertops off the actual wall that extend like 3' [0.9M] out of the wall. And some of those might be 6' [1.83M] off the ground.

So that being said, it's all a very intuitive program when you go up to the wall to order whatever you want.

So it you're getting your chicken salad with your chocolate milkshake, you put the order in and you go down to the side of the wall, and it'll be there on the inside. This glass will kind of move up, and then you can see the food there, and you just grab it and take it to your table.

David: There's something I'm not visualizing, though, and that is: Are you saying that there's just a huge number of different pieces of text of all these different types of food?

Emery: No.

David: Or can you click on things and open up folders?

Emery: You can click on it. They have a picture method of a diagram of different types of vegetables, different types of meats and things like that.

And the entire wall does it. So you could . . . Let's say you're taller than me, and you would touch the wall with your hand. And then a little scr . . .a little . . . it just comes clear. You can see a screen around you.

And it can do it all the way on the floor. So it doesn't matter . . . There's not a specific . . . Wherever you touch this wall, you know, this thing happens where you can actually place this order.

And this is just one cafeteria of many different kinds, but this is a really fun one. That's why I want to talk about this one specifically, because I think people will relate to this – people that have been in the projects.

So here we go. So you get your food and you go down a little bit, and in the middle of the wall, there's a big section that's open. Like you could see a dishwasher person in a regular cafeteria where you put your trays in and stuff to wash.

It's just the opposite. This is where the food is actually brought into this cubbyhole.

And what's interesting is there's also levels of the cubbyholes, of sizes off the floor, for different races and for different people.

And from there you just take your food to your table.

David: Is it on a tray?

Emery: No, it usually isn't.

David: It would be like a plate, then?

Emery: Yeah. It's a large plate with everything on it.

David: Okay.

Emery: Not a TV dinner. Now, they do have trays there if you want, but no one uses trays. You just grab your food and take it to the table.

And the table is the best thing about the cafeteria. I love the table because the table is another giant screen.

These tables are 10'~20' [3~6M] long, about 5' [1.5M] across, 5'~6' [1.5~1.83M] across. Some have already pre-positioned chairs at these tables.

You can fit 10, 20 people sometimes at a table, depending on the people that are sitting there.

And then there are tables that are just tables. And out of the actual ground, as you're going up to the table, you just start to sit down and a stool comes out of the ground.

David: Really?

Emery: It's really neat. And it doesn't look . . . Like you would think you would hear a sound of [MECHANICAL SOUND], like, “Your stool's here”.

It was like . . . It just comes out of the ground silently, okay, but they're all very similar sizes. The ones that come out of the ground are pretty much a normal, maybe, foot and a half in diameter.

Everyone knows where your silverware is. And your condiments and all that stuff are in the table.

So you have this giant picnic table, we'll say, and it's all made out of steel. Ah, ah, it looks like steel. Not stainless steel, like a matte steel.

The table itself looks like you're eating off an iPhone screen, just so you know. I mean the table itself.

So when you put your hand out in a special motion, like flat hand is napkins, double tapping is forks, knives and spoons.

The actual napkin, as you go like this [Emery places his palm down flat in front of him] comes out of the table into your hand.

And I have no idea what this technology is, but there's no sliding anything. There is not a door opening up and these condiments come out or anything like that.

It's all just on tapping and pulling your hand across it to get something out.

Now, if you don't know how to do that, which they do teach you different things to do, you can actually hold your hand on the table and a little intuitive apps will come up.

And it will have a picture of a ketchup bottle, a picture of mustard, barbecue sauce, and all these little pictures. Everything's pictures. There's no words.

And you can touch and tap on the ketchup bottle or whatever, and the same thing happens. Whatever's underneath this table, it becomes not solid in that area where the condiments are.

And you can actually . . . It starts to become clear, the table, where you can see the condiments right underneath your hand.

David: Are they like little ketchup packs like you get at the restaurant?

Emery: Oh, it's the same stuff that we use.

David: Oh!

Emery: It's the same stuff you probably get at the fast food restaurants.

David: Okay.

Emery: I don't use condiments, but definitely this is one of the things that I was so intrigued about, and everybody was, because this technology could be used for a lot better things.

Like we could use that technology in surgery. But for whatever reason, this is how it is, and there is palpable. So once you take your hand off, it becomes solid again.

And this is probably one of the most amazing technologies that they share with everyone, but no one's allowed to know how it works.

You can't ask . . . Who are you going to . . . There's no one to ask.

That's another thing: You're not allowed to ask about technologies. You're not allowed to ask certain things about your room. You're not allowed to ask about: “Why does he have this special folder and you don't.”

And this is a really interesting concept of high tech stuff that's way advanced compared to what we have right now here that should be out right now, but probably not because it would be dangerous.

David: Well, you said that this is napkin, right? [David lays his hand down flat with an open palm and pulls his hand back.] Down and out is “napkin”.

Emery: Yeah.

David: Double tap is for condiments or silverware.

Emery: Silverware.

David: Or silverware. So were there other gestures like that?

Emery: Yeah, there's different gestures for your hand, especially if you use . . . double tapping, too . . . I'm sorry. I should tell you double tapping means you have to use at least two fingers.

David: Hm.

Emery: And there's nothing more than two fingers, but you can also draw on the table, okay?

Let's say you needed a special utensil because there's different utensils for different races, which is really interesting.

And by putting your whole palm on the hand, then you get to scroll through that little app, and you can pick a special utensil or special whatever.

The other thing I must tell you is that where the napkins come out is different than where the condiments come out, which is different from where the silverware comes out.

And the silverware is always going to be on your left, and the condiments and napkins are on your right. And that's all it does is those types of things.

David: Did you ever think that there might be some sort of particalization or materializer technology making the food? Because I've heard from a lot of other people that have been through similar things that they could “print” a meal.

Emery: Absolutely. All the food and everything that they have there that's of substance – not drinks, though – but everything else is 3D printed.

David: Really?

Emery: Yeah.

David: Do you know anything about whether there is a raw material that's required to make the food that they start with? Or how does that work, exactly?

Emery: Well, through my experiences working with 3D printing of organs and other projects I've been involved with, it has to do with . . . Like you said, the particles and the atomic structure can be reproduced anywhere for a head of lettuce to a brain, which all have the same construct. It's all mass and atoms and how those mass and atoms are rearranged in molecules.

So basically you can probably print anything. That's why it's so easy for the system to make you any kind of food you want.

They also have this device that the food goes through after it's printed in the back that is able to cook the food to a certain temperature or cool It to a certain temperature, which I find fascinating.

But it does it within seconds. So medium rare, seconds. You know, below 32 degrees, seconds, because each meal is made in under, like, three minutes.

And that's how fast these 3D printers are.

And you can hear them behind the wall.

David: Really?

Emery: Yeah. It's very archaic noises like servos going back and forth and ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, and then, you know.

David: One of my space program insiders who never has been willing to come forward is named Jacob. And he described very similar things, but he also said that the food has some extra benefits that normal food wouldn't have.

And I don't want to lead you, but could you tell me if you knew anything like that?

Emery: Yes. That's the great thing about the food there. It's over nutritional.

What we have – standards here on the back of boxes and things – it's just horrific that they could be doing this – you know, adding a little bit more vitamin C to something, or adding a little bit more minerals to something.

They do the least amount here out in the real world. But in there, it's the opposite.

It's like super heavy doses of all sorts of minerals and things that are not found “on the surface”, is what we say, and also takes away things that are harmful in there, like toxins and fats. It's printed without any of that.

David: Jacob also said that this food could clean your mouth as you eat it and would digest into pure nutrition in your body. I'm curious if you had that experience.

Emery: I don't know that for a fact. I just know what they've taught me and told me there about the nutritional value of the food. It's the best of the best.

And there's nothing in there that's put in there to . . . You know, we are an investment to these corporations. We are a huge investment. And they take really good care of us as far as nutrition, medical, and things like that, unless you make a mistake.

David: Some of the people I've talked to about this printed food – not all of them – some of the insiders have said that it is the most amazingly good tasting, flavorful . . . like, it's . . . like each meal is the best possible realization of that dish you could ever imagine.

Emery: That is true. It tastes better than anything I've had on the surface. And I think that has to do with the quality of the cells, or whatever, that they made the food from, and the amount of nutrition that goes in there and being able to print food without the bad things that are in normal meals, pesticides and whatnot. There's none of that.

I mean, this is the purest apple you're ever going to eat in your life.

And there were some sort of enzymes and things they add to food, so like your friend said, it will digest immediately into the system, and you won't have as much digestive problems and things like that. That is absolutely true.

David: Let me share another thing that Jacob said that I think is interesting to add here.

His people in the Secret Space Program were worried that we might become dependent on this super nutritious food.

They looked at the physiologies of certain ETs, like some of the Grey types, and it's literally like an esophagus that goes right to the anus. It's just like a tube, a straight shot, no intestines, no stomach.

And they were worried that perhaps if we don't use food the old-fashioned way, that our systems are not going to be able to survive anymore unless we have this type of food. Could you comment on that?

Emery: Yes, I can. I believe what's happening here is the actual body really doesn't need food if you can create the energy it needs, the cells and the genetic disposition of your nucleolus and of all the cells in the body.

And that's why some people can go years without eating. They have mastered that energy.

With a lot of the ETs we've seen from the far future, they barely have a mouth. They barely have a nose. And the reason is: over time we will not be eating any more. It'll just be something you do for fun on the side to do that. It'll be just like a social thing, because all the energy that your cells need, you can teletransport into your body.

We're starting to do that now with chemicals, with IVs, with vitamin IVs, all these things.

So I do believe it's going to go to a route where we won't have to eat any more. And that being said, the body, over millions of years, will adapt, and some of the organs will not be needed because the foods will be so pure you don't need your liver and pancreas to add enzymes, and your gallbladder to break down the food because it already has it in the nutritional value of the preprinted food.

David: Were you ever able to have contact with the outside world once you got in there? Or, obviously, they're not going to give you a telephone or anything.

Emery: No.

David: So you're . . .

Emery: It's heavily monitored. Even the Internet, there's no cameras, so you can't do a FaceTime or something like that.

You have to understand, back then a lot of this stuff really wasn't out there like you guys have now. It was really . . . Early '90s it was just at its beginning stages with the computers and stuff.

But you had ways to go on and watch things, listen to things, but mostly just for entertainment. You were not allowed to communicate with anyone. You were not allowed to have a mobile phone.

Back then I didn't have a mobile phone. We had beepers.

And no electronics you were allowed to bring.

David: It sounds really like a wonderful place, and I'm curious if you could request to stay there if there wasn't a lockdown.

Could you get to a certain level of clearance where they'd allow you to do that?

Emery: I'm not aware of in my facility of anyone being allowed to stay there just because. There would have to be an event that they asked you to stay, or something went wrong where they had a lockdown.

There is not a . . . I wasn't authorized to just say, “Hey, I want to stay a month here and hang out.” No, not at all.

David: What was the longest time that you got to spend on lockdown, because it sounds like it's not really a bad thing.

Emery: I was there almost a week, about six days, . . .

David: Really?

Emery: . . . on one lockdown. And it was just . . . Because of lockdown, my area was damaged. So I actually wanted to work overtime and extra time to get caught up for . . .

Sometimes there are deadlines to get things done, and I was working on a really interesting project, so I wanted to stay. I wanted to get it done. I had no problem staying the extra time.

I didn't really have too many friends and family. This WAS my life. This is how I lived.

And by doing that, it also shows that you're really willing to help and be there.

Sometimes they give you a choice. “You have a choice. You can stay and finish the project, or you can at least work eight, and then you can leave and come back, but please come back.”

I didn't want to do that because I could work an easy 12, 14 hours and not be tired because the air quality is great. The water is fourth-state-of-water. The food is highly nutritional.

And it was just like you said. It WAS a place that was interesting, and for me, exciting to be part of such an amazing thing.

And every time I ever went back to work I learned something new. I would learn things about the new races. I would be able to overstay my time in the library, which was really important to me.

David: Was there ever a case of a lockdown where everybody was genuinely terrified, and some knowledge of what was going on did seep through? Or was it always just, “Oh, we're on lockdown again. I don't know what this is. And that's it.”

Emery: No, there were a couple of times like that. It was kind of frightening when a major lockdown happens and you don't get to know what's going on. And then you have to stay a night, just like one night.

And then usually you find out why it happened, or they'll just send in a disinformation campaign and say, “Oh, there was a fire” or something. It's something so generic you know they're lying to you.

But that's the excuse “to help you relax and wait for the fire to go out,” we'll say.

And a lot of these things, . . . we didn't know what happened. Usually if you stay on the projects long enough, you'll find out like nine months later or a year later, “Oh, that's why we were on lockdown back in January for two days. Wow! Someone left with a virus or something, and they had to cleanse that whole wing.”

And when I say “cleanse”, it's not good, because whoever's in that wing has to be terminated.

David: Well, this is extremely fascinating. And I'm sure, like many people watching this, I hope I get to see stuff like this one day if we do get any type of real disclosure. What an incredible journey that will be for us as a civilization to start to get to use technology like this.

Emery: Absolutely. I would love to take you in there.

David: Well, maybe we'll figure it out.

I want to thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure” with our special guest Emery Smith.







Cosmic Disclosure: Bigfoot and Tall Whites

David Wilcock: Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and we're here with our special guest, Emery Smith, continuing our fascinating discussion about the co-workers that he actually interacted with as live beings while in the underground facilities.

Emery, welcome back.

Emery Smith: Thanks, Dave. Excited to be here.

David: What was the very first extraterrestrial that you saw on these bases, like the first time you actually saw a living being that was not human like us?

Emery: That's the Tall Whites.

David: Ah, okay.

Emery: Yeah, absolutely.

David: So could you tell us a little bit more about that first meeting? Because, obviously, I would think the very first time you actually see a living being that's clearly not one of us, it has to be just an absolute landmark moment in your entire life.

Emery: Well, actually, indirectly, by seeing these from afar, and seeing these through different windows and different programs, and then reading about them, I had a really good understanding of what was going on way before I was even getting able to see these, by researching programs that I was allowed to.

David: Oh.

Emery: So they're breaking you in first just by watching videos and reading books and reading things on their database system that have to do with the past of working with these beings and these creatures.

David: So let's open up this Tall White discussion, because there has been some confusion in terms of, for example, certain discrepancies between the whistleblower named Charles Hall, and what he called Tall Whites, whose eyes seemed to be more like Greys, but had a bluish tinge.

We have Pete Peterson who's described his experience with Tall Whites, and he said that it doesn't really mean any one type. It just is a classification based on their appearance.

Emery: Correct.

David: And Corey has his experiences with the Anshar, which appear to be very much more human-like, but as they age, they will get taller eventually.

So what would you call Tall Whites? Just give us a description of what they look like, and any other specific physical identifying details to start with.

Emery: Sure. They're over 7' tall. They have a small face, a little bit smaller than ours. They're very slender in the arms – very ectomorphic as we would say.

They have a very fluid movement that's actually like a dance. So it's kind of like this: when they move, they're articulating their joints, and their limbs are flexible, not like ours, which are really rigid.

They also have a very deep understanding of all of our belief systems, and they're very compassionate, and they're very smart.

And I've seen them from afar probably six to seven months before I was actually next to a few of them during a project.

David: So if I gather correctly, then, the face would be predominantly like ours, but just smaller?

Emery: It's slender. You know, I hate to bring up movies, but in the Star Wars movies, there was a group of Tall White beings that were making clones of one of the soldiers there, and they were in charge of this planet, and they had this really slender, beautiful, oval face with these really beautiful eyes that took most of the face up.

So the eyes were at least two times to three times larger than our own eyes, and their nose was almost non-existent – very small, very petite, kind of like an Asian nose – with just very small nostrils and beautiful lips and a nice small mouth.

David: So the eyes are a very prominent features, then . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: . . . but they would be almost like one of these Anime characters in the sense that it still looks human, . . .

Emery: Right.

David: . . . but they're just a lot larger.

Emery: Exactly. The eyes are oval, and they're offset about 20°, so they are like this.

Ours are this way [horizontal], but theirs are offset just a hair, so it's coming this way, because the ovals . . .

David: So more of a Russian or Scandinavian look, then?

Emery: Correct.

David: Okay.

Emery: And when I refer to the Tall Whites, I am not referring to the blond blue-eyed tall people from Scandinavia that you hear a lot in pop culture of . . . of those.

David: Like the so-called Nordics.

Emery: Correct, the Nordics. I mean, their skin is just ash white. It is so white that they actually . . . light comes off of them and reflects off of them.

It's a really beautiful type of skin . . . [There's] kind of like a sheen to it. But [they're] very white, and [have] very long fingers and regular feet like we have.

David: Are they bald?

Emery: Yes.

David: Okay.

Emery: There is no hair. I've never seen hair on any of them.

David: Really?

Emery: They do wear clothes and uniforms like we do, usually skin-tight types of clothing.

They have a very intricate internal organ system that is capable of living on almost any planet or any atmosphere.

So they can breathe a lot of different types of gaseous chemicals, and different types gases that would normally kill one of us.

And they have a very small chest in a V shape.

David: So it definitely doesn't look like a Grey.

Emery: No.

David: It would be like a bald person, like us, with white skin, but a more skinny-looking face who's just really tall.

Emery: Yeah. Right.

David: One of the things that Pete described about these beings was that they would have a wand.

Did you ever notice them carrying a want . . .

Emery: No, I never , , ,

David: . . . or any type of tools?

Emery: I never seen them have a wand, but they did wear these special bracelets and these special collar-type things.

And I don't know if it has something to do with their internal organ system, but I wasn't really debriefed that much. That's all they told me.

David: Okay. Did you have any idea as to what those bracelets or collars might function for?

Emery: Well, they had lights on them, and these lights were like a blue ribbon around the center of the collar.

So let's say the collar was about an inch thick – I mean, an inch wide [25.4mm] – very thin, and in the middle of that collar, about a . . . maybe a quarter of an inch, was a stripe that went around it.

And this light rotated around this blue centerpiece, and it was always on, and it always coincided with the bracelets they had on.

David: They rotated in phase?

Emery: The light . . . Yeah, they both rotated in the exact same phase.

David: Hm.

Emery: Yeah.

David: So did you ever have an intuitive sense, or did you try to guess as to what that might be for?

Emery: I think it has something to do with . . . maybe, when they travel to different places, this helps with getting certain nutrients and chemicals and minerals and vitamins into their body somehow.

I think it's somehow keeping their voltage up and keeping them energized.

David: The version of Tall Whites that Pete was talking about, which may not be the same, he said that they really have trouble getting too close to humans like us, that it's almost a psychic mess for them.

Did you observe them in some degree wanting to keep distance from regular Earth humans?

Emery: Not these Tall Whites, but, yes, there have been other hybrid Whites that are over-sensitized by our fields of energy, because they're picking up on every cellular energy we have.

It's not like we're all in one sync to this other white race of ETs, and I think it has to do with . . . We carry a lot of bacteria – good bacteria and bad bacteria – and viruses on us, and they all give off this special pulse of energy, and it's overwhelming for them.

And they can actually get sick by being around a human too much.

David: So I've heard.

Emery: So I think that's what he's referring to.

David: Describe for me the first time that you encountered a Tall White, because this is where we're saying now, like you saw him through the window, . . .

Emery: Right, seen them.

David: . . . you might have had some briefings or something . . .

Emery: Yes. Yeah.

David: . . . but the first time that you actually are face to face with a non-terrestrial entity.

Emery: They were brought in on a number of occasions, working on humans that have deceased for unknown – I don't know why – unknown reasons.

David: Earth humans?

Emery: Earth humans.

David: Okay.

Emery: But they obviously were very concerned about this, and they would be brought in and worked with the team.

And I had two of them at one time in the same room that I was working on taking some samples from somebody.

David: Was it easy to tell the difference between men and women?

Emery: Ah, yeah. There was a feminine . . . more slender facial features, and the eyes were a little bit not as large, and the eyebrows also, not eyebrows, but you can see there's a tinge of an eyebrow, but not hair. It was just like the pigment was different above the eyes, a little bit off white, I'll say.

And you could tell by those two reasons, just facial features.

The bodies looked pretty much identical.

And I'd never seen them walk around. They always had some sort of clothing on or something.

David: And what did that clothing look like?

Emery: It was always some sort of skin-tight apparel, like a Spandex of some sort.

They always did have gloves on all the time. So this clothing material was covering pretty much their whole body except their neck and face.

David: I'm curious about what was their form of communication. Did they speak with their mouths?

Emery: They're very telepathic. They can speak perfect English and other languages – all the languages actually – but you don't have to because they will just look at you.

And they say, “When you have the look, please look back”, because it's this eye thing that they do.

When you see their eyes and your eyes, it's like a link of some sort, where it's like the . . . . however it works, it's downloaded – everything that they're thinking – to you, and they're very receptive to you as well. Like, they know everything about you once you meet them.

David: So if you were to have an unloving or judgmental thought about the way they look . . . because I'm sure this happens sometimes.

Emery: It definitely happens.

David: What would occur? Like, let's just walk though a situation where . . .

Emery: Yeah, they don't . . . They don't react to that, because they know that sometimes it takes a little time for people to get used to them because they're different, and the same thing, I think, would happen to us if we were thrown into their world.

We would have to be really egoless and have to accept that maybe I won't be liked because of the way I looked, or because I know everything that you're thinking right now, which is okay. It's so what, and then what?

David: So I really do want to get a little more specific on the exact moment that you first made eye contact with a non-terrestrial being. Where were you? What was it like that first moment you looked into its eyes?

Emery: We were getting dressed with our suits to go into an operating room. And their suits are a lot different than our suits, of course. Theirs are for their bodies.

And I just noticed as the technicians were helping them get dressed and Ziploc their suits up, the fluid motion they had of going into the suit.

It was very fluid, and being at the operating table, and I was helping them with some instruments, and they moved so fluidly, and so . . . but it's really fast. They move fast, but it's just this dance. It's really interesting.

So I don't want you to think it's like super slow, but it was the fluidness of . . . You know, their bodies are, like I said, . . . their bones are very flexible, unlike our bones.

But they do have the five fingers and the hands. They're just longer fingers, and the palms are more square, not round like ours. And those are some of the features that I knew.

And I remember looking at them, not even saying anything, and it was like a greeting. It was like as we're getting ready to go in, and we looked at each other, and just the word, “greeting”, came to me.

It wasn't a voice. It was just the word, “Greetings”.

And I remember, in my mind, looking at them and saying the same thing in my mind, and they cracked a smile.

You know, I could see . . . They have the same facial features. So their eyes move up and down. They can move their nose, and they have muscles in their face.

David: Could they throw things into your mind, like colors, symbols, visual images of places . . .

Emery: Absolutely.

David: . . . give you a holographic type of . . .

Emery: Yes. They even have a way, if they want to teach you something that you don't know, to basically download that into your brain – into your consciousness – in a matter of seconds.

So you could learn something pretty quick that they're doing on the table from being just across the table from them.

David: When you were working with them in these autopsies, you had mentioned that sometimes they were concerned about humans from here who had died in strange ways.

What were some of the other circumstances that they were called in?

Emery: Really tough cases where there might have not . . . that they would not know why this ET or this human died.

David: “They” meaning the people on the base.

Emery: The people on the base would give them, probably, the most difficult cases.

David: To the Tall Whites?

Emery: Yeah, to the Tall Whites. And sometimes they would not allow us in the rooms with those types of patients, but we were part of a team.

You have to understand, even though you're not in the room, you still can be working on the outside of the room looking in and helping get supplies and things.

David: Can you recall a specific example of an autopsy that was not of a person from Earth that involved a Tall White, and just tell us what type of being it was and why was it so hard to solve?

Emery: Well, this falls under the chemical thing again. We do get beings that come in – other hybrid Whites that look shorter. They're about our height, our size, but they're very, very white, and they have crystal-clear blue eyes.

They always have white or blond hair, so . . . and they have ears, unlike . . . The Tall Whites don't really have ears, . . .

David: Okay.

Emery: . . . but the human-hybrid Whites, I call them, actually do have ears, and they look kind of like us. And their teeth are very different. Their teeth are round.

So they're like half-mooned, not square like ours.

David: Wow!

Emery: And it is weird. But you don't really see their teeth too much.

And we were working on this one that was brought in that had these . . . it looks like burned injection spots that ran up and down their chest. And there were about six little holes – 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 – all the way down to the belly button.

And it looked like it was some sort of weapon that burned it into their skin. But in the middle of these circular burns were three dots that looked like a triangle, if you could attach lines to them, a perfect triangle.

David: Okay.

Emery: And they were trying to figure out what type of weapon killed this hybrid White, and why and where did it happen. Like they can actually attach themselves to the brain of a dead being and download its information to their head, . . .

David: Wow!

Emery: . . . and they can find out, “How did this happen? Where did it happen? Who's responsible?” and figure out a whole story within minutes.

David: Wow! So what was the conclusion? Were you aware of the conclusion of how it died?

Emery: No, I was not aware, but they did know what happened, and they did look very sad about this. You can see the anguish on their face.

David: When you saw a movie like “Men In Black”, what was your feeling about that, where you have Will Smith, and there are agents working in these underground facilities with all these extraterrestrial around? What was your feeling when you saw that film?

Emery: I'm really not a big fan of that. I don't like when Hollywood makes fun of extraterrestrials as some sort of game or some sort of horrible threat.

David: Right.

Emery: And I did not resonate with that movie at all. But there are many movies out there, and animation, where extraterrestrials are portrayed very well, such as the one that you and I saw recently, called . . . was it “Valerian”?

David: Yeah, “Valerian”.

Emery: Yeah, and these ETs looked exactly like these Tall Whites.

David: Wow!

Emery: And I remember . . . Wasn't there a part in there where the United Nations of ETs were coming together, and there were all different kinds?

David: That's right – right at the beginning.

Emery: Yeah, that was a very accurate depiction of the many different kinds of extraterrestrials that are out there that have to bring their own environment. Like one was like a fish or something. It had an aquarium on his head.

David: That's right.

Emery: And, of course, that's kind of funny, but it actually is true. Like we talk about ETs wearing things that are from either their planet to keep the energy correct, and also they might have to have a special helmet just for their head to sustain their life.

So that was a really good . . . I was impressed with the screenwriters and the writers and the animators that did that.

David: Now, Corey Goode, when he had his first experience on the Moon in modern times, so he says, encountered an avian type of humanoid that apparently nobody in the space program had seen before.

And this is the Blue Avian. We talked about this. I know you've seen the image.

Emery: Yeah, I've seen this image.

David: So did you ever see any type of Avian humanoids yourself, such as these Blue Avians, or other types that were similar?

Emery: Yeah, similar to that, but not specifically like that. They were very human-like, and they had very small feathers and large skin pores, but they, for the most part, looked more human than they did a bird.

But they did have these attributes of certain things, like they didn't have a nose. They did have, like, a small beak there, but the beak actually had teeth in it.

And they didn't have the kind of head you would see . . . It wasn't like an exact bird head. And the eyes were flat across, just like ours, but they could see perfectly straight this way, instead of . . . like a bird probably has more on the outside.

So very more, like I said, more human than anything, but had very small wing feather . . . like little skin flaps under their arms, and lots of feathers on the back, but not so much on the face and the chest at all.

David: Did any of them have tropical colors like a toucan, or how did they look?

Emery: Yeah, they did. There were turquoise ones with a beautiful purple, white and turquoise fading, in and out, up and down the body. So it might start with a blue head and neck, and then fade to white, and then maybe a light purple down towards the feet.

But they had feet like we have feet, but it was, you know . . .

David: They didn't look like bird feet?

Emery: No, not at all. But like I said, the only thing that gave it away was the facial features and the feathers, and that very scaly-type skin – a very porous skin.

David: Well, this is kind of ridiculous, but how would you compare it to Howard the Duck?

Emery: No! Ha, ha. Not like that.

David: Because that's a beak that really protrudes.

Emery: That's a big duck bill beak.

David: Yeah.

Emery: But no, I've never seen anything like a big beak like that, except for the pterodactyl.

David: Pterodactyl being sounds kind of disturbing.

Emery: It does look probably scary to most people because it's got these dragon attributes of these wings with hands, but it has legs just like we do – very thin legs, kind of like the Ant people.

And they have very small wings that are attached like a fruit bat. The arms are part of the wings.

And they always have a device with them. And this one was carrying a cylindrical device in its arm, like this, with its claw around it.

And this one, this pterodactyl being, had an actual claw. It had the long, pointy beak that came all the way back – you know, the one that has . . . The actual bone structure actually goes farther back.

David: Yeah.

Emery: And they communicate through a series of loud, high-pitched tones, not like an owl, not like a bird chirping, but just high-pitched tonality.

David: Did you ever see any of these pterodactyl beings while you were in the underground bases?

Emery: Yes.

David: You did?

Emery: On the very deep, deep levels of these bases, we were informed that they were there.

And they had to do with some sort of consciousness, and . . . I want to say religion, but it's not. It's a study of some sort of history long and forgotten.

And they are sent in to . . . They're like the people who put the puzzles together, these beings, and they can move things with their mind. They have telekinetic energies, and they can move small things around the rooms.

And there might be anywhere from one to four of these beings looking at something and moving things around in these “think tank rooms”, they call them.

David: Why do you think they were kept at the bottom of the base?

Emery: I believe that, . . . because of the way they look, because they do look like a type of flying dragon.

And I think because they don't do well with being around a lot of other extraterrestrials for some reason.

They seem to need a lot of space when they move around. So there's areas . . . They just can't walk through a door, leastwise they're very abstract, bulky-looking. And, you know, just turning their head, they could . . . these things can be . . . Just their heads along could be up to 3'~4' long.

David: Wow!

Emery: And just by turning their head, they can knock a lot of stuff over. So there's a special place down there for them that they are allowed to do these . . . which I don't know what the programs are. I just know they're the thought-thinkers. They're “the puzzle-solvers”, they call them.

David: I want to run something by you that I've heard from some other insiders.

Some of what I've heard – and this is actually from more than one guy . . . has told me this – certain ET groups apparently were worried about a reptilian-sentient life on Earth becoming really dominant and aggressive to other species.

And the 65 million-year-old cataclysm that hit the Earth apparently was intended to wipe them out. And it was at that time that the Moon, which apparently is a used car – and I talked about this with William Tompkins – was then parked around the Earth to create a seasonal climate that would allow mammalian life rather than reptilian life to become dominant.

I wonder if you ever heard about that scenario of the dinosaur catastrophe being a planned event to wipe out sentient reptilians?

Emery: I have heard of “a event” that was intentional to destroy the Earth because Reptilians were not allowed on it anymore, because of Inner Earth beings, and also dates back to Atlantis and Lemuria and whatnot, that there was this war of some sort, that they were being utilized and used by these Reptilians, the Draco, or whatever you call them.

And that's what I read in some of the history books in there, but I don't know how accurate that is because it was written not as a document. It was like someone was just telling you what happened back then.

And there has been archaeological finds in the Vatican from this time that depicts Reptilian beings destroying Aquafarians and other beings of that time.

So I think it's a high probable cause to put two and two together to say, “Yeah, I would agree with that.”

David: I'm curious about whether you ever saw something that would look like the Yeti or the Bigfoot while you were working in these facilities, because some people have reported things like that.

Emery: Yeah, I mean, I have personal experience with the Bigfoot, and the skunk apes, and the Yetis, and all the different types of . . .

I remember in my teen years, around 16 years of age, there was a large white Chewbacca-type being, 8'~9' tall, and I was camping out in Florida down in the south, near the Everglades.

And it was probably around 150 yards away. It was far, but it was an open field. It was at dawn.

And I just saw this being walking next to the fence line. And it was like 5' higher than the fence posts, which were 4' tall.

And the stride of this thing was, like, over 6'. And I literally stopped in my tracks and watched this thing walk all the way across.

And when I go back and check the dates, now that there are these things online – you can look for spottings of these extraterrestrials – I've noticed that in the area I was, this being has been seen many, many times by many people, and that was a great confirmation for me.

It was greater confirmation for me when I started working in the labs to actually see these beings.

These beings have been here a very long time. They work with the Inner Earth beings. They're here to collect and gather data and DNA from all the living species and plants and water and animals in the water and fish and everything.

And they're cataloging this and putting it on a type of vault somewhere in order to preserve what Earth really is – kind of a museum for Earth somewhere.

And that's why you can never get these guys on film too much, because they have the ability to teletransport themselves at will.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes. And they can be very mysterious and get out of somewhere really quick.

David: Well, I just want to say this: It is amazing that we don't have a widespread understanding of the reality of Bigfoot given the thousands and thousands of eyewitness sightings, the tracings of footprints, the very bizarre cases of property damage, where fingernail marks have clawed right through vehicles, and things like this.

Why do you think we have such a hard time accepting these eyewitness testimonies of Bigfoot?

Emery: Well, you know, these are very large animals. I don't consider them too much human, I'll say. But they have a consciousness and they have a job to do.

And they're probably the lowest-maintenance extraterrestrial that I know.

And what that means is: they can be dropped on a planet with nothing and gather these items and catalog them and store them somewhere, and then, like the movie “Predator”, where they come down and hunt people and then take all their skulls back.

So imagine this guy is coming down and snatching up a bunch of lavender and daisies. Ha, ha.

David: So they're not doing anything violent?

Emery: No.

David: Okay.

Emery: No, they're not allowed to. They're actually prohibited from hurting any type of living creature.

David: Wow!

Emery: So they could take your hair, but they can't take your head.

David: So what you're describing here sounds like a fairly intelligent being. Do they have communication skills? Could they speak, or do they have a telepathic . . .

Emery: Yeah, they're the other ones that use their vocal chords to voice, and also they can do, like, . . . Elephants have this ability to send these large thumps through the ground, and these things can be heard for miles and miles and miles and miles away by another elephant.

So they have that ability, and that's why people hear really weird shrieks. They hear really weird thumping sounds.

People usually say it's someone banging on a tree or something, you know, and not so much that.

And they can communicate that way too if they, let's say, have a sore belly and they can't use their diaphragm to make these noises.

David: There do seem to be different types of Bigfoot. And so since we're out of time now, I just want to round this out with: Do you think that there might be some that are not necessarily on this mission and are less intelligent and more primal and dangerous?

Emery: I've read some documents in my classified, compartmentalized projects that stated that they have . . . If they get sick or something happens to them, they cannot use their teletransportation abilities, and they get lost or left behind on many planets, and they have to stay there indefinitely.

And these are some of the lost ones that are hiding in the . . . But they're very adaptable, and they like to work alone. They're very solitude-type extraterrestrials that I heard only mate maybe once a lifetime.

David: If they were going to teletransport back to where they came from, where would that be? Do you know anything about their origins?

Emery: No, I don't know anything about their origins, but I know they know . . . They have an indistinctive way to trace portals on the Earth, like natural portals on the Earth, not man-made portals, that they know where to go, and they might travel vast distances to do that.

But they will never go through a city, or they're not allowed to interact with the beings from any planet.

David: Last question, real quick: Did you see them in the underground bases? Was there some loophole where they could actually work with us in these classified facilities?

Emery: I've only seen dead ones.

David: Oh, really? So they didn't actually work in these underground bases with the rest of us?

Emery: They said . . . There's some rumors that they have. And I have seen things from far away that look like them.

And there are catalogs of them being on the base, but I have not worked physically with one.

David: Okay, cool.

Emery: Yeah.

David: Well, Emery, this is really fascinating. I want to thank you for coming out and giving us all this amazing information.

Emery: Thanks.

David: And I want to thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure” with our special guest, Emery Smith.







Cosmic Disclosure: Reptilians and Aquafarians

David Wilcock: Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I'm here again with our guest, Emery Smith, with deeper insights into his extraterrestrial coworkers.

Emery, welcome back.

Emery Smith: Thanks, Dave.

David: This is one of the most fascinating topics of your testimony as far as I'm concerned, because it's one thing to have a specimen that's dead. And, as you said before, you didn't know whether these were really extraterrestrials or not, right?

Emery: No, I had no clue.

David: What could be an example of something where you KNEW that it was an extraterrestrial? Were there any cases where it was certain that it was not a genetically-modified being?

Emery: Yes. I mean, after a few years in the projects and your clearance gets up and you're getting briefed on different scenarios and different types of extraterrestrials where they're saying they're extraterrestrials or beings from other than Earth origin, and also getting access to the most amazing libraries of encyclopedias that they have there – it's all on computer mainframes – you get to really understand that we're just a small, small part of such a wide and vast array of other beings that are spread out through the universe and multiverse.

David: So if we could take off in a ship and start going to other star systems, how common would it be to find planets with inhabited intelligent life on them? Is it seldom the case? Is it sort of half and half? Is it mostly the case, or is it almost always the case that a given solar system will have some intelligent beings living in it?

Emery: The best way I could put that is: if I were to ask you if you jumped into the ocean, how many different species would you find amongst just jumping into one ocean?

David: Hm.

Emery: So it's that vast and there's that many beings. There's an unimaginable amount of beings of different races.

David: So you could then say that pretty much any star system we would go to, unless there were really conditions or something, is going to have beings that have set up shop there and have civilizations?

Emery: Exactly. This is what people don't understand, because beings don't need a planet to survive on.

They've already mastered to make their own planets and their own space stations to live on.

And there are some beings that never touch a planet but they travel around, of course, because their own craft or ships that are hundreds of miles in diameter can actually reproduce living conditions such as a planet, such as an ocean, such as an island, such as growing food.

David: When we were talking about your extraterrestrial coworkers before, you had mentioned this probably more benevolent Reptilian race. You'd mentioned they were in a constellation called Bootes.

Could we discuss a little more about that? Like, if we went to their star system, what would we see?

Emery: Well, you would see a lot of traffic, number one, in this area, because there's just a lot of races that live in this sector of space.

But the one I was talking about has a type of Death Star look to it. It's man-made, and they have craft on these space stations that look like meteorites.

And they can be up to 30 miles long, some of these.

David: Wow!

Emery: And they can be also as small as a compact 24' U-Haul truck.

They have a lot of families there. They raise their children on these things. They get educated there. They graduate just in a few years of life and have a higher IQ than we do, just in two or three years, these children.

They also have a faster healing rate than we do. And we're trying to study that healing rate from the Reptilians.

Maybe you've seen some of the pictures on my website of me taking the blood from alligators.

This was a direct correlation of what we were doing to test: why can an alligator in the Everglades sustain a huge wound of another alligator ripping its leg off? And then in just a matter of weeks, not only did it coagulate just fine, but it also had no infection and sometimes grows back.

So some of the projects I worked on was actually doing this: is trying to replicate the healing factors of the genetic DNA of these Reptilians.

David: I find it very interesting: when we look at Indian history in the Mahabharata and the Vedas that we have what appears to be an evil Reptilian race called Rakshasas, but that there also was a benevolent Reptilian race called Nagas that they actually ended up making temples out of.

Emery: Right.

David: And you actually see lots and lots of stone inscriptions of what looks like humans, but then they have like a Reptilian tail like a snake.

So do you think that these benevolent Reptilian ETs that you were talking about could have been there at the time of the Indian civilization where those texts were written?

Emery: Yeah, I 100% believe that. I know all the texts you're talking about. I know of the statues that you're talking about. I know of the amulets they made of them and some of the carvings down there.

So I agree that these Reptilians I'm associated with that I know are this . . . a little bit more docile, hybrid-type, human-type figures, and they were looked up [to] as gods.

David: Now, it's also interesting because Pete Peterson did say that there was a benevolent Reptilian race as well. And he had told me that they were very keenly interested in our religious development, our spiritual development, that they were very wise, very advanced, and they really seemed to want us to become ethical and to learn how to all get along with each other.

Emery: Yea, I can concur with that. They do have a religious background that I don't know everything about. But they're very strong about it and they do carry amulets and jewelry that show their belief in this system.

They also have sometimes special clothing for certain holiday-type things that they may wear, such as a scarf or a ribbon on their arm.

And these things celebrate this religion that you speak of, which is the unity of all and one that they believe in.

And they believe even though they're of different genetic DNA, they also believe that everyone HAS their DNA.

And they believe in the system that they were kind of the first ones in the solar system and universe that actually seeded it. And over billions of years, other formations of their genetic lineage has mixed around and is actually where WE come from.

And that's why you see sometimes in the medical society of people saying, “Well, we have the reptile part of the brain and this because we're associated with an iguana or something.

So it's very funny that this is all coming out in the questions that you ask because I do believe there's a correlation with this race, and we might have a little bit of that DNA in us to some extent.

David: I'm just curious if you ever heard about this benevolent Reptilian race talking about the Draco and the very antagonistic other types of Reptilians that apparently just about everybody was opposing.

Because the Draco seemed to be this group that's trying to invade and conquer just about every other civilization they can find.

Emery: I've never heard them speak about that. I've never seen any data to support that from their lineage.

They do have their own belief of where they came from as far as the very first Reptilians, which I do believe probably could have come from the more Draco style, evil type Reptilians that people talk about.

But I can't really say, honestly. I'm just speculating on that.

David: Well, this is a very interesting point because Pete Peterson did say that there was a Reptilian diaspora.

A diaspora is when essentially one group that is a spiritually-inclined group breaks off from another group because they believe that group has become evil.

Emery: Uh huh.

David: Pete said that these benevolent Reptilians that he spoke about had had a diaspora from a negative Reptilian group in the past.

Emery: Hm.

David: Very interesting.

Emery: VERY interesting.

David: And perhaps the fact that they might have been hybridized with humans means that maybe they would have more compassion for us.

Emery: Right. Yeah, I believe that lineage carries over through DNA.

David: Yeah, very interesting.

Emery: Very.

David: Let's go back now to some of the other extraterrestrials that you've had as coworkers since that's our main topic on this episode.

Emery: Sure.

David: Could you give me an example of one race that we haven't spoken about yet that you can share with us now?

Emery: Yeah, I can go over a couple of races. I think maybe I should talk about the more liquid-state planets that are associated with ETs.

You know, everyone thinks ETs are all just of the 3D in this Earth-air atmosphere, and it's not the case.

You have beings that have to live in water or come from a water planet. You have these types of beings that come from the Pleiades system, and we call them Aquafarians – some of the first of these extraterrestrials that live in water. They don't need to, but their planet is 98% water.

And they actually work in water. That's where they feel comfortable.

David: And you said they came from Sirius?

Emery: No, Pleiades.

David: Oh, Pleiades.

Emery: The Pleiades System. Yes. The Aquafarian-type extraterrestrials they call them through my experience.

David: Well, this is very interesting because there is a correlation with a book by Robert Temple called “The Sirius Mystery” . . .

. . . in which he studied this particular African tribe that comes from Mali, and they have this Aquafarian race – I'll use your term – that approached them called the Nommo.

And they gained very precise information about the fact that Sirius had a little companion star called Sirius B. They had information about the planets that were around it, all this very specific stuff.

And they clearly . . . Their legends clearly describe these as aquatic-humanoid beings.

So this is a really interesting new line of inquiry then.

Emery: I mean, I have to comment. You know, a lot of our operating rooms and centers in the bases are definitely completely filled with salt water or fresh water . . .

David: Really?

Emery: . . . just for this type of thing.

David: So you would actually do an autopsy in a self-contained suit . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: . . . inside water?

Emery: Yes. Underwater and heavily weighted down with magnets that keep us on the ground.

David: Wow!

Emery: And we have all the sustainable air through the same hoses that I use above ground.

David: Sounds like it would be exhausting if you're fighting against . . .

Emery: It is. It's very taxing on the body for some reason. And I don't know if it's just because of being under water. It's just even mentally taxing. The energy or something of the water.

It's kind of like scuba diving where you can get tired pretty quick.

And you do seem to use a lot more oxygen under water, for some reason, when we are doing these giant autopsies and also looking at the craft.

Some craft have to be in a special salt soluble water for them to stay intact. Once they are turned off, they cannot hold their shape.

David: Would that imply that they could only portal from one ocean to another and they wouldn't fly through space?

Emery: They can fly through space because they have their own gravitational field around them that encompasses the water.

David: Oh! Really?

Emery: Yes.

David: That's bizarre. So let's talk about these Pleiadian Aquafarians that you saw. I'd like to start with a visual description of what they look like.

Emery: Well, there are many types of water-type extraterrestrials. There are some that look like manatees, there are some that look like dolphins, and there are even some that do have a shape from the waist down that's kind of scaly and has fins on the outer edges of these beings.

But from the chest up, they actually look pretty human.

David: Now, just to be clear, these are extraterrestrial live coworkers that you're seeing on these bases, correct?

Emery: Yes.

David: Okay.

Emery: And I think this is maybe where the mermaids come from. You know, I think this mythological background of the history of these sailors seeing these beings could possibly have had a base here on the planet.

And there's a lot of cities that people are discovering, but the Cabal does not let people know this, that are underground, and it wasn't because they were flooded. It's because that's where they really were – these cities – under the ocean. I'm sorry, under the ocean.

And that also proves the fact that these extraterrestrials lived here and they flourished here at some point in time.

And I know you know a lot about the history of the mermaids and some of the extraterrestrials over in Asia.

David: Sure.

Emery: I think they're called . . . What's the name?

David: Kappa, in Japan.

Emery: Right. Exactly.

David: Yeah, let's talk about that for a second. It's a very interesting thing . . .

Emery: Yes, please.

David: . . . which was research I learned in part from having had a Japanese girlfriend in college.

And I was already very interested in extraterrestrials by the time I was a senior and we had this relationship.

So I found out firsthand that they had considered it an absolute fact that you could not have your kids walk near bodies of water.

Emery: Oh, right, right, right.

David: And they still to this day have warning signs near the water . . .

. . . warning about the Kappa, which is . . . the legends say is a Reptilian aquatic being, okay?

And it comes out of the water and grabs kids and drags them into the water.

So these beings could speak their native Japanese language. They would make jokes. They were often very inappropriate and rude. They would make rude noises, rude gestures. And they were very sarcastic and arrogant.

Emery: Wow! Interesting.

David: So do you think these Kappa could be actual extraterrestrials that got here somehow?

Emery: I do believe there's some sort of correlation with a lot of the stories over there.

These descendants from the Aquafarians, I think, are multiple as far as genetics and DNA. Just like we have a lot of different types of humans here, and over millions and millions of years, you know, we have spread across the universe, the same thing has happened with the Aquafarian people.

And they do come in these different forms like I have talked about.

David: So in your projects then, the term “Aquafarian” would be an umbrella term that could refer to many different types?

Emery: Exactly. Yes. It's a multi-race under the phenotype of a water being.

David: Did you see any that had a cup in the top of their head like the Kappa?

Emery: No, I actually didn't.

David: Okay.

Emery: I've not seen that at all, but they somehow are able to breathe air and also breathe the oxygen in the water.

And some do have gills like you would see in the movies on their backs and necks.

David: Okay.

Emery: And they're multiphasic where they can walk out of water and breathe the air through their mouth.

And we've operated on some of these, and they have air bladders and they have different types of lungs – very interesting to see: four sets of lungs in a being that can filter just like you would see in the sharks and the gills of many modern day fish that we have here on the planet.

David: Now, you had said that some of these beings actually have a head that's like a dolphin?

Emery: Yes. Just to really be more specific, if you can see a dolphin with two arms and two legs and standing upright and a very, very cylindrical body which stands out, not that big fin on the back, though . . .

And they do have these little webbed-type feet, but they have arms. And the arms have two different phalanges, you know, two fingers on there.

And the face does not have a snout like a bottle-nosed dolphin or anything like that. But they have a VERY LARGE mouth. And it does come out – just a little bit of a snout – but not like you would see on our modern day dolphins and porpoises.

But the mouth goes all the way to the sides of the face.

David: Oh, wow! That would be a little disturbing to see, perhaps.

Emery: Yeah, it's a little, but they don't ever open that mouth. You never see that mouth. And they have lips like a grouper fish.

David: Yeah.

Emery: And they're kind of funny looking, actually. No offense, guys. [Emery looks up.] But they do look kind of comical looking like you'd see on a cartoon character.

And they only communicate through telepathic waves and through frequency. And you can hear those sounds – the same sounds you hear with the whales that you probably hear in your meditation CDs.

David: Now, with the dolphin, the eyes are kind of way on the sides of the heads.

Emery: Yes.

David: So how do the eyes place on these faces?

Emery: Yes. So imagine a very round, bulbous head like a light bulb. And those eyes ARE on the side of the head, but they do have great vision. It's still more forward than you see in our society of dolphins or whales where they are completely like a hammerhead – way out here.

David: Okay.

Emery: So they are forward-looking eyes.

David: Do they have any ears?

Emery: Just the slits, the holes, but no ear lobes or anything like that.

They have very small fins on their back, not like the big fins you would see on a dolphin or a shark today – maybe only 3”~4” of these little fins that go down their back; maybe five or six of them in the middle of the back only.

David: Now, you mentioned that their whole body is like a big cylinder.

Emery: It is very cylindrical.

David: Do they have just stubby little legs at the bottom?

Emery: They do. They have very stubby legs with these big fat feet. And they do have toes on their feet and they're webbed.

And they have this webbing on the sides of their body like the other Aquafarians, which I think is an Aquafarian trait to have this very thin, all the way down their arms and their body. And sometimes you actually see it on the heads of different ones like the manatee ones.

And there is something there like that cuttlefish fin that goes all the way down to their feet.

David: Now, as far as the arms go . . . Obviously a typical dolphin just has flippers, but yet when we actually look at the skeleton inside the flipper, it actually looks like a hand.

Emery: It is. And they do have a humerus. They have the same bones we do.

And instead of you guys seeing like a skeleton of a whale where you guys see just that – bare hand. I mean, you could see this.

Even whales, if you look at their stuff, even their back, they have little leg bones inside their body that somehow over millions of years have receded into them.

But these are full skeletal arms and legs just like we have.

David: So if the legs are stubby, what are the arms like? Do they have more length on their arms?

Emery: Yes, they have more length than the legs. Absolutely.

David: Interesting.

Emery: Yeah, they're not the fastest runners in the planet.

David: Ha, ha. But again, it kind of sounds to me as if there's this humanizing intelligence that takes different types of life and will make it so that it has opposable thumbs and hands and . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: And it's conscious.

Emery: I believe there is a conscious energy in the universe that, over time, affects other planets around the whole universe, and maybe multiverse, where it's the same five star program.

David: Yeah.

Emery: I think it's some sort of program.

David: Right. So could you . . . Do you have any information about where these dolphin beings came from? Did you ever work with them directly, one on one?

Emery: I've only indirectly worked with them. That means I've only seen them. And I've never been able to communicate with them because it's a very special language, and you have to have a special device that interprets the frequencies of their chirps, their chirping.

David: Oh, really?

Emery: And it's kind of like a Morse code but very, very fast.

David: Hm.

Emery: You could have a few dozen chirps in a second, but we don't have the brain or the hearing capabilities to catch it, it's so fast.

David: Wow!

Emery: But it's, you know, a whole conversation that we would take maybe, . . . In one of these episodes, 30 minutes could be done in five minutes for them.

David: Wow! So do they feel like it's really slow to talk to us? Is it boring for them?

Emery: Yes. Yes, and they have . . . a . . . three-times size of our brain.

David: Wow!

Emery: And they're very conscious. And I feel bad for the dolphins and whales here because we should treat them like we treat these ETs.

Just because we can't communicate with them doesn't mean they're not conscious or they're stupid.

Maybe we are ignorant.

David: So you have no information about where they originated?

Emery: Oh, from Pleiades and Sirius section.

David: Oh, okay.

Emery: The Aquafarians started in the Pleiades and then migrated, I know, to Sirius section. I don't know where in there, but I'm only telling you what I've read from the history of being in that library.

And I was fascinated, of course, with dolphins and whales. I have a really good connection with them.

I've done a lot of underwater photography and have a great bond with these fish and the mammals.

David: Could we now get into the manatee being that you mentioned a little more?

Emery: Yeah.

David: Tell us more exactly what it looks like visually. Let's start with the face. We know what a manatee's face looks like:

Emery: Yeah, it looks like . . .

David: . . . kind of like a walrus but without the tusks.

Emery: Yes, it does kind of look like that.

I used to make jokes by my dear departed Beowulf, my dog, that recently passed.

He has this face . . . He's a French mastiff, you know.

David: Yeah.

Emery: He's a Dogue de Bordeaux, but it's very human. And it's more stout instead of having the big, . . . like a manatee has this big blubber snout with all the whiskers.

David: Yeah.

Emery: It's more contracted, and the eyes are pitch black and they're very close together on these beings.

And they're very obese looking.

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Emery: And they have little hands that they really don't use, kind of like a T-Rex.

David: Wow!

Emery: And it's really funny. And they're very comical.

David: When you say they look obese, would they have the rolls like we would see . . .

Emery: Yeah.

David: . . . with a very overweight person?

Emery: Yes, they have rolls.

David: Okay.

Emery: They have rolls. And they're very strong beings. And they also have these short stubby legs, you know, maybe 24” up to where the knees go into [where] the body starts.

But they're very tall, very large. They actually dwarfed over me at least by two feet.

And they had this personality of a very old scientist. “And they know everything.”

They have this thing about . . . Their main thing is history, about how they came to be the “enlightened Aquafarians”. They compete with the dolphins, and . . . It's a very funny thing – just kind of like my dog does. He knows everything.

And I get this real humble feeling, but THEY can talk. They have vocal chords; they don't chirp. They don't have that other vocal . . . as the dolphins and other Aquafarians. They actually can speak.

And they speak in very deep tones and deep voices unlike any human you have ever heard. I wish I could replicate it, but I can't.

David: So just some basics here, like what would their color be? What would the color of their skin be?

Emery: It's just like you see the manatees here on the planet. They have a dullish gray, but it's not weather-beaten like you see [with] our manatees.

And I've worked on many manatees. I've done stem cells on manatees down in Florida that got run over by boats with the propellers.

And they have a very . . . more smoother textured skin that has a sheen to it. And it's a bluish gray.

And they do have whiskers on the sides of their face, kind of like a very small mustache.

David: You said that there's little hands poking out from the top of their bodies.

Emery: Yes.

David: Do they have fingers and thumbs like us?

Emery: Yes, they have four fingers and a very small thumb that you can barely see – just a nub.

David: Hm.

Emery: And they can use them. I've never seen them hold anything, though. I've never seen them grabbing or holding, but they're very agile. They can move around. They're very fat and large.

And they communicate very well. And you could hear a deep voice around the corner and you know it's one of these Aquafarians from this system.

David: And do you know where they're from?

Emery: They're also from the Pleiades system.

David: Okay.

Emery: Yes.

David: Do they wear any clothing?

Emery: Yes. They have suits that they wear that are formed over them through a special device.

Don't forget, they can be in the water or out of the water, you know.

David: Okay.

Emery: They can hold their breath a very long time, but they don't breathe the water like the other ones do, so everyone knows.

But they can definitely work under water for over an hour. I remember a few of them watching in one of the aquarium's operating rooms, that they were treating one of their own for something. I don't remember exactly what the story was behind that, but I just remember admiring them working on these beings under water with their little fingers. It was really cute.

David: Hm.

Emery: And I just wasn't able to ever interact face-to-face like you and I. I was just indirectly part of a program where I was watching them, and people were teaching me about them.

David: Okay, last question, then we're out of time here. You've mentioned getting kind of a telepathic, spiritual ecstasy hit from some of these extraterrestrials.

Now, these you said speak verbally, not telepathically. Do you still feel some sort of spiritual bliss by being around the manatee beings?

Emery: Yeah, there's something about them. They can resonate an actual sound from them[selves] that humans cannot hear, but they can feel it. And it's a really beautiful sensation.

It reminds me of when I hear a good song, and I'm starting to, like, you know, starting to feel it. And that's what I feel when they're around. It's this low-tone thump inside you.

You can feel this from a very far distance form them. I mean, they were at least 30', maybe 40', from me. And I was outside of the tank.

And they're sitting there doing this energy. It's just energy; they're not dancing . . .

David: Right.

Emery: . . . but it makes you feel like music. It's like harmonic of some sort.

David: Wow!

Emery: It's really beautiful.

David: Well, that's all the time we have in this episode. It's very, very fascinating, and I do hope we get to meet these beings soon.

Do you think that will happen?

Emery: Oh, I know it's going to happen.

David: Wow! That would be amazing.

Well, I want to thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure” with our special guest Emery Smith.







Cosmic Disclosure: E.T. Coworkers

David Wilcock: Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and we are here with our guest, Emery Smith.

In this episode we're going to be discussing extraterrestrial coworkers.

Emery, welcome back to the show.

Emery Smith: Thanks, Dave, for having me.

David: I didn't realize, actually, that you were, in some cases, working on these autopsies with people who were not of Earth origin.

So could you start to lay out for us under what circumstances you might have someone in the OR [operating room] with you who is a completely separate type of person than what we're used to here on Earth?

Emery: First, I would like to start off by saying, not all extraterrestrials are 100% of not human genetic DNA.

You might have an Arcturian that's only 75% Arcturian and maybe 10% Pleiadian, and another . . . the residual of that, human.

So for the most part, most extraterrestrials actually have our same human DNA. It's just that over millions of years they have been intertwining and getting new types of genetic formations by mixing different DNAs and different types of extraterrestrials.

David: So is the theory that there actual travels going on and interbreeding in ancient past?

Emery: Exactly. And the past also is the future. So you have to think that these extraterrestrials that are a few million years ahead of us, actually WERE us at one time.

So it's actually some of our DNA is in there. Our children's children's children's children's DNA could be possibly part of the extraterrestrial that we are seeing today because they have already mastered time travel and portal travel and things like this.

So the time is . . . You can't really say the time because time really doesn't exist. But these extraterrestrials did have descendants that WERE from Earth.

David: Okay. So you mentioned an Arcturian who might also have some human genetics. If we saw this Arcturian, what would it look like?

Emery: Well, there's many different types of Arcturians just like there's many different types of humans on planet Earth.

David: Okay.

Emery: Some of the Arcturians that I worked with do look very human like, but they're a lot more robust, and they're larger. Some are 7' to 8' tall [2.13 m to 2.44 m].

David: Really?

Emery: Some are actually of really ancient descent, which their genetics have not changed over time, which they did not intermingle with other extraterrestrials.

And some of those actually looked like a rock formation, like that . . . one of those superheroes that's made out of a rock you see on TV and . . .

David: Like in “The Fantastic Four”.

Emery: Like “The Fantastic Four”. And they don't . . . They look like they're hard and rock, but they're not. They actually have a spongy-type feel to them, kind of like an actual sea sponge where it's very porous material.

They are usually a gold or an orange-type color. And they are very robust with a large Cro-Magnon-type skull, which is a little bit . . . about twice the size of our heads and a lot, like I said, more robust looking.

And they have been spotted on the projects many times in many different ways.

And then there are Arcturians that are actually more human looking, which just have a very robust muscular looking body-builder type look to them, but a lot more Cro-Magnon as far as the skull features. And the bones are about three times as dense as a human's.

David: Wow! So let's take this discussion of the operating room a little farther.

For some reason when you and I talked about this years ago, I was under the impression that you just went in there by yourself. You did the autopsy by yourself. You had some people speaking to you through the intercom, and that was it.

But it doesn't sound like that now based on some of the things we've been talking about.

Emery: The first year was like that, until I got higher classification and cl . . . and security clearance.

After that, I was brought into what they call “multi-level projects”, which means it's not just me going in there harvesting a piece of tissue, but you're actually harvesting many different kinds of tissue and also working with the being's craft.

So these projects could have up to three teams of 15 scientists and physicians and technicians working on just one being and one craft.

David: Really?

Emery: And some of those scientists and physicians are actually of “un-Earth origin” – this is the term they use – which are extraterrestrials, which have volunteered, either after being captured or volunteered through the system, through the compartmentalized program, to work to actually help us, because they kind of actually feel bad sometimes, even after we capture them and beat the heck out of them and do horrible things to them.

They actually turn around and willingly want to help us and stay with us and teach them about their own physiological phenotypes, about their own race.

David: Would you say that these extraterrestrials are benevolent?

Emery: Yes. I would say they're benevolent. I would say they're a very humanitarian type of thought process. They're a lot smarter than us.

They could actually at any time probably do damage to us or hurt us with their telekinesis and telepathic abilities, but they don't.

David: So, there you are in an operating room, and you're saying that in some of these cases you might have an extraterrestrial and a craft. And you're working on both at the same time.

Emery: They usually keep the extraterrestrials and the craft separate. So you might have a bay not too far away, maybe within 300 meters, which is very close, by the way, because these things are SO spread out underground, you know, up to 10 miles in diameter some of these bases.

And you will have the being . . . The being is separate. And then you'll have the craft in another bay.

These are all very clean areas, which I can describe in detail.

I might be actually assisting an extraterrestrial, helping complete the mission, whatever the mission is: gathering frequencies using devices, or gathering tissue samples, or running special tests of the bodies, which actually . . . They can scan the whole body and 3D print that body later on.

David: So could you give us some examples now of what kind of being might you actually see as a coworker in the operating room with you? Just start to go through . . .

Emery: Sure. Like, some of the first ones I want to go over are like the beings that are monkey-like human.

David: Okay.

Emery: And their pelvises are not spread out like a monkey, by the way. They all stand very erect like we do, but they have the formation of, you know, a monkey's look, with longer hair and the face is more pronounced like a human without a snout. And . . .

David: So it's not necessarily like “Planet of the Apes”, . . .

Emery: No.

David: . . . but they're still more of an ape-like appearance than us?

Emery: Very ape-like appearance but more human like, and not that much fur on the face, by the way, just around it and around the body.

And they speak very well. They have great vocal cords.

They have a problem, though, with high pitch sounds. So they have to wear special things in their ear when we work with them that actually tone down the sound of just our own voice.

And, of course, they pick up on different frequencies from electromagnetic fields and TVs and computers. There's these high pitched sounds they give off that really distorts them and allows them to come actually ill if they don't have these protective ear plugs in.

David: This is a bizarre thing, because one of the groups that Pete Peterson told me about was a simian group that he called Simulacs.

And in that case they had genetically modified their hands so that their fingers were actually these prehensile tail like things. They had done some genetic modification on themselves.

Emery: Yes, I've seen a lot of genetic modifications on humans and extraterrestrials for different projects that were not normal from their lineage.

And I did notice a couple of these in and out very rarely, but they do come about.

And, you know, we don't get to – sometimes, of course – sit down and have lunch with these beings and talk unless we're actually working closely with them.

But the people that look like these monkeys and apes that stand very erect also do not have that thumb that sticks out like on a gorilla. It actually can actually grasp stuff.

Their hands are also not large and bulky like you would see as an ape. That's actually a thinner, longer fingers and a very broad palm – so great operating thumb.

David: Do we know where these ape-like people originated from? Did you get any briefings on their system or anything like that?

Emery: I believe these come from multiple systems, including Arcturus and Sirius and Spica – that area of space.

And because the genetic lineage of DNA that I was reading in the library at the time did pinpoint a lot of these ape-like human beings from these systems, that they all had similar genetics from each system.

So you might have one that's mixed with other ET systems, but all the DNA was the same. I mean the same . . . meaning that they had all the same ape DNA, whether it be 30% or 90%.

David: Mm. So what is their agenda here?

Emery: Yeah, there's obviously something going on behind the scenes that I'm not privy to know, but what I believe is that these beings that we either caught or captured or volunteered to come here that are working with either the government or the military or the Cabal on different occasions for different projects, are strictly humanitarian. And they don't have any agenda at all.

And they could probably easily take out a lot of people if they really wanted to, but they don't have that feeling.

Being next to one of these extraterrestrials, by the way, including the Ant people and the Mantis people, you have a really beautiful self feeling being in their energy fields.

And people have actually had miraculous healings by being on these craft and working on the craft and working just in the vicinity of an extraterrestrial.

David: How does THAT work?

Emery: I do not know how that works. I think it's electromagnetic of some frequency that allows the body, their body, that already generates a very, very high vibration, . . . It actually brings our vibration up so our cells are running at a specific voltage so our own cells can heal ourself.

David: Interesting. Okay. So you also mentioned Ant people and Mantis people. So could you walk through for us what that would be like? You said it was enjoyable to be around them.

I think most people, without a lot of vetting and preparation, would be extremely frightened if they saw an adult human-sized insect that appeared to be intelligent standing in front of them.

Emery: Yes. I don't have fear of any ETs, and I've seen some really gross disgusting looking things that people would probably just associate with pop culture or just, you know, things that we don't like to see, such as . . . we have an inner emotion just by seeing the color red, blood, which is an emergency color for us.

And you have to understand that these ETs do not see just like we do in just our normal color spectrum. Some of these ETs see in variable, many variable colors, spectrums of light, which means they can see things we can't see, even X-ray vision for some of them.

Some of them have special coatings on their eyes. Like some of the Reptilian forms have three different layers that they can put on their eyes to see in different light spectrums at will.

Some of the Ant people also have this amazing ability to see through things and to hear things that we can't hear and to actually look into you and can tell if there's something wrong with you, if you had a disease or whatnot.

David: Like X-ray vision.

Emery: Yeah, like X-ray vision, a kind of light spectrum that we're not aware of yet here on Earth because all we have is the eyes of all the animals here that we've studied for our entire lifetime and humans. But it's completely different.

Some of them actually have to wear goggles just to live here and to be here because the light is TOO much. It actually enhances light.

They come from places where there's complete darkness for a human, . . . that we would not even see darker, dark as a black hole. But they can see things.

David: So let's stop on the Ant people for a second.

Emery: Yeah.

David: Can you recall an example of an autopsy you were working on where you were assisted by an Ant person? And just walk us through what that was. What happened?

Emery: Well, the interesting thing about these autopsies, too, is you have to understand there's different types of suits that we use, of course, for different types of races.

So an extraterrestrial Ant-person suit does not look like my suit that I work with in the operating room at all.

And these are self-contained atmospheres. And some of these extraterrestrials have to have a special atmosphere, or a vacuum, for them to actually work here on the planet.

And they also look a lot different than we do as far as the body. The Ant people have these very, very thin, but very strong, arms and legs.

And you're looking at them because it's basically 75% thinner than our own femurs, but yet incredibly more durable than our femurs.

And then you have the robust body that could be segmented or non-segmented depending on where they're from.

And then you have the face. And a lot of people do comment on the face.

They could have a double mouth or pincers on the face, and a lot of tentacles, and a lot of little things coming out of their face that kind of might look a little gruesome.

You might hear one speak. They have special voice box analyzers that come on their neck and in their ears, sometimes in their mouth, that translates into a human language, whether it be English or Russian. And they talk multiple languages though these things.

And it does sound not like our voices. It's a little more higher pitch actually. And the screeching of that sometimes is upsetting to some people and could be maybe a little scary on your first visit [with] one of these extraterrestrials, especially when you see their mouths open and you can see all the layers inside, which is just a normal thing. It's nothing.

They're not trying to be negative, but we perceive it to be negative because it's not a smile, that's for sure.

David: Right. I remember Pete Peterson telling me about being at this Antarctic base where there were several types of ETs, including a Mantis type, and that when it would laugh, that it would put its head down because all the mandibles would . . . There were three on each side and they would open up.

And it was so disturbing for us that it learned to just put its head down when it laughed.

Emery: Yeah. What's more disturbing is how we laugh to them.

David: Right.

Emery: One of the most hideous sounds I've ever heard, . . . you ever think about it and put yourself on their side and start laughing. What an interesting sound that may be for them, because it's not a normal vocal vibration for sure.

David: Sure. Now Pete also had talked about . . . It's really interesting how similar this all sounds, because Pete had described the Mantis being and how it spoke.

And he said that there was some kind of orifice on its back that it had to essentially belch out of, and that it had figured out how to turn this into speech somehow – that it was this very kind of strange sounding thing.

And Pete had dialogued with the being about this at one point, and it said, “Well, imagine how gross you are to me.”

Emery: Right, exactly. What is that thing, that big hole on your face, sir?

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: It's neat to do the perspective, for humans to turn it around. I want everyone to do that. Think about how you would react to one of these. Could you accept them because of the way they look?

David: Well, how do you feel when you're around one of these insectoids, let's say?

Emery: Oh, they're very comical. I mean, they're very . . . They have great communication. The insectoids are very loving, caring energies.

They actually tease you sometimes with their intelligence. They get a little pun out of saying things and doing things around you.

David: Well, so much of what we have in terms of human empathy comes from these extremely subtle muscular movements in our eyes and how that makes us look.

Emery: Uh huh.

David: But with a set of compound eyes you just have a bunch of dots that wouldn't have any soul at all. So how would you feel humor from a being like this when you can't get any eye information?

Emery: You don't need to because a lot of this energy is telepathic and telekinetic, so you actually feel happy.

You might . . . Like you get chills walking into a dark room at night because you might feel a ghost, but it's the opposite. It actually enlightens you. It actually puts you in a good mood, and your body picks up on this.

And a lot of communication in a lot of species out there with extraterrestrials is all based on just that without vocalness. It's all just looking at each other and gathering information – just like dogs look at their owners at one side of the face, and it tells them everything they need to know of how you feel.

David: So you feel this sense of humor and this personality coming from the being without any facial cues at all that you would normally recognize?

Emery: Right, because a lot of these insectoids have just a very hard skin, very reflective skin – that there is no . . . all these muscles moving up and down. They don't have a muscular structure except to open and close their mouth or eyeballs.

They don't have a flaring of the nostrils, which we pick up on subliminally just as humans.

David: Right.

Emery: So it's a very different feeling. It's different aspects of communication.

David: So let's go back again to the Ant people. And I had asked you to walk us through a specific example of where you were doing an autopsy with an Ant person.

Like what were they there for and what were you autopsying?

Emery: There was a big project where they found multiple Ant people that were somehow killed by chemicals of some sort. And there was a lot of them that were brought into the facility, I remember, by the truckloads actually.

David: Did you have any idea where these casualties happened?

Emery: No, I don't know. I do believe it was in North America somewhere.

David: In an underground facility then?

Emery: Yeah, I think that somehow they were discovered, and I think they were probably taken out in some fashion in the New Mexico, Colorado area.

David: Okay.

Emery: I don't know the specifics, but they did bring in multiple beings. And these beings all died of asphyxiation, and their lungs were completely burned out, and some of their mucous membranes and eyeballs were completely burned out.

David: Wow!

Emery: So these Ant scientists that were there were actually assisting, trying to find out and see what happened to these individuals.

David: Now were the Ant people in the room that were alive the same types as the ones that were dead?

Emery: Yes.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes, the exact same types. And it was the first time I've ever felt sorrow next to an extraterrestrial.

David: Really? What was that like?

Emery: It was really upsetting. That was . . . [Emery feels strong emotion, stops, turns away, tears up.] sorry.

David: That's okay. We've heard from others that you feel 100% empathy with them.

Emery: Yeah.

David: Like, if they lose a leg you feel . . .

Emery: You feel it.

David: . . . like your leg is lost. If they lose a loved one, it's like your own mother or father died.

Emery: Especially if you're working with them a lot. There's some sort of frequency exchange. [It] could last for weeks, [it] could last for years, where you have this connection with them. And it's a . . . And to relive that is overwhelming, whether it's good or bad.

And you also have dreams, too, beautiful dreams.

David: Do you know if the being that was in the autopsy room with you had actually known these people? Was there a community? Did they . . . Were these people their friends, or were they just . . .

Emery: It was of the same race and they did not know them that I'm aware of and did not show anything that they knew them but just had an affinity for their own kind being so massacred.

David: Did you ever get any information about where they come from or how did they get to Earth? Did you get any briefings like that?

Emery: No. I know their civilization is pretty rampant all over our Solar System and universe. So . . .

David: Really?

Emery: I don't know where they're exactly from. I didn't read up on that as much as the other species.

But they seem to have been around a lot longer than the human race.

David: Could you describe the color of their face? Like when you . . .

Emery: Oh, yeah. It's like a blackish red, kind of like a brick color. And that brick color can go in many shades.

David: Oh!

Emery: And I've also seen a little bit more yellow than red, but they all have a similar fading of the blackish red in and out through their body and their legs and arms.

David: Are there any antenna on their heads?

Emery: Yes.

David: Okay.

Emery: They have antennas.

David: What does that look like?

Emery: They're shorter than you would see here on Earth with the little antennas that the ants are . . . They could be thick; they could be 3”; they could be 4”, 5” – not long like you see on our Earth, like these long antennas which are like half of the body.

David: You probably don't know this, but that's exactly what Corey Goode said.

Emery: I do not. I never heard that. And you guys know I don't watch Corey or Pete Peterson. So that's REALLY interesting he said that . . .

David: Yeah.

Emery: . . . because that . . . You can't make that up.

David: You can't make that up. It's very cool.

Emery: Cool.

David: I didn't want to give you a leading question.

Emery: No, please, yeah.

David: So when we have a Mantis-type being in the autopsy room with you, could you bring up for us one specific example where . . . Let's describe what the being that you were autopsying was. What was the Mantis being there for? And why was that project being done?

Emery: Well, one of the autopsies we did: we had a Mantis being with about five other scientists in there. And we were working on a regular . . . actually, a human, but an extraterrestrial human that was not from Earth, that was born somewhere else.

And they were a lot larger than us, probably another foot or two taller. I think 7½' [2.3 m] to say the least, like the size of an NBA player.

And it was very white, albino looking skinned, blue-eyed person that . . . I don't know why we were operating on him.

But they DID bring the Mantis in because the Mantis was able to somehow reactivate the brain through electric stimulation from them, even through a suit, and can memory recall what happened to the person before they died.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes.

David: Wow!

Emery: And that's why sometimes they are brought in. And they're very docile, very gentle beings.

And when it's not that serious of a situation, they can be really funny.

David: How much like a mantis' face would this face of this being look like? Are there certain . . .

Emery: Oh, it is dead on. On the Mantis, it is dead on: that triangular shape with the bulging eyes, and it's all the same color.

You know, their face and eyes are exactly the same color. So it's a little weird.

They're usually a pale green, and they can change color at will.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes. And it's neat to see them in deep thought when they're doing these processes because it's a wave of rainbow light going back and forth through their face.

David: Really?

Emery: You kind of can get mesmerized actually by it.

David: Wow!

Emery: I always love when they do that. I get so captivated. And I'm looking at them through the actual helmets that we use, these large glass spacesuit helmets.

And they're just so . . . just so amazing to look at, especially when they move too. Like, I talked about these other ETs that move so fluid. but they are just more angled – their visor is more angled.

They don't have the articulation that we do in our joints. It's usually one way or the other, but very precise, very precise.

David: When we're looking at hands on either an Ant person or a Mantis person, are they human-looking hands? Or what might be different?

Emery: They have five . . . They all have five fingers – the Mantis. The Ants may have anywhere from four to five fingers.

David: Really?

Emery: But they are fingers and they're jointed, and they can move them. They're just more like pointy, and you don't see any muscles in them or anything like that.

It's just because of this exoskeleton like the insects we have here on Earth.

David: So . . .

Emery: Feet are different, though. Not the feet. The feet do not have five toes.

David: What do you see?

Emery: Usually a two-toed type of appendage on the bottom of their legs. Yep, and it's a very wide stance. And those toes are very long. Some can be up to 10”~12” long, but only two.

Sometimes you'll see a little back toe sticking out.

David: The toe kind of shoots forward like this? [David holds his two closed fists together and extends his index fingers forward and apart.]

Emery: Exactly. And then one little back toe like a . . .I don't even know what to compare it to. But you understand there's a back one. So it's a Y. Their feet are like this Y shape.

David: So we've been through, now, Mantis people. We've been through the Ant people. We've been through Simian people. You also mentioned Reptilians.

Emery: Yes.

David: Now, the Reptilians that we're heard about from Corey are extremely antagonistic to us, extremely violent, extremely evil.

It doesn't sound like this is the same thing in your case. So could you tell us about . . . What were the Reptilians that you saw? And what were they here for?

Emery: Well, the Reptilians that were working on the projects that I was involved with were very intelligent.

They didn't have much of a personality.

They're very direct. They're very robust. Not to be funny, but they kind of look like a Sleestak on the “Land of the Lost”, the old version.

And they stand very erect and they do have the same type of toes and hands that you would see on the insectoids.

David: Oh!

Emery: They're more like a three-toed, three-prong hand, but very dexterous, very ambidextrous and dexterous. They could grab things just like we do.

And they're very strong for their size.

You may see one anywhere from 6'~10' tall [2.0~3.0 m].

They don't have any snout. They have a regular like human face, scaly, but very large eyes, twice the size of our eyes, with pupils like us, not the slits you see in the movies.

It's under my understanding that these might be hybrid-human Reptilians that were designed somewhere.

I did read a lot on their space center and the Bootes region of the Arcturus star system area, where they have a type of planet there that was man-made like you would see in the movies like “Death Star”, where they raise families and educate these beings at a very young age.

The families are very large. The male and female might have a minimum of 30 children.

David: Wow!

Emery: Yes. And they have a gestation that's a lot faster than ours. It's not nine months. It's like three months.

David: Hm.

Emery: And their genitalia is also retractable into their bodies, so it's really hard to tell if they're male or female.

David: That's another thing that Corey has independently reported, yes, same thing.

Emery: Interesting.

David: So you said that these beings looked sort of like the Sleestak on “Land of the Lost”.

And I do remember as a kid being very, very freaked out when I saw those.

Emery: I was petrified of those beings as a little child.

David: Yeah.

Emery: And they did it well. I mean, they do look like so intimidating. They don't have muscles in their face to smile, so they always have the same expression.

And even though they're so . . . , they might be happy inside. You would not know by their face because it's always the same expression.

So you can only know this by communication and by feeling their energy fields.

And another thing, they didn't run around like you see the Sleestaks on the TV show, like, that are, I mean, naked with no clothing.

They actually had a special suit kind of like a Spandex fabric that covered their whole body.

And I finally found out why they wore these funny suits – they looked really funny in them – because I was hoping to see this naked Sleestak running around, right?

But no, it's not like that at all. It's very misleading. It actually had this Spandex suit covering most of its body except for the elbows down and knees down. And it was actually to control this odor that they had that's very pungent, that's a pheromone that they always release.

And anytime they get really excited or happy, it actually just kind of pours out of their body. And this absorbs it and neutralizes it using some sort of ionic technology that I'm not familiar with.

David: Well, you wouldn't know this because you haven't watched the show to not get contaminated, but we've had Niara Isley, we've had Pete Peterson, and we've had Corey Goode all report on the awful smell that these beings have.

Emery: Yes!

David: So this was a way for them to be more social, I guess?

Emery: Yeah. They actually do communicate a little bit.

Don't forget, these beings can breathe through their skin. And these pheromones are actually a way of communicating with others.

And I heard that their smell is so good . . . and they do smell with their tongue and they have a very interesting tongue. It's not split or anything, but it's very long. But they don't ever show that, by the way. That's just something they do, I think, when they eat.

And their eating is also very interesting because they only eat like once a month.

And these smells and these pheromones can be smelled . . . They can smell this for a few hundred miles. It's like the Raptors and the birds and the sharks of the ocean that can pick up on these small molecules in the air. Not to say one of these Reptilians would completely contaminate a 10-mile underground base with their stench, but just to say: where they're from, this is another form of communication of how their emotion is at that point.

David: It seems to me from what you're saying now [is] that our military-industrial-complex is already deeply involved with benevolent extraterrestrial species.

Do you think these benevolent ETs want to be known to the rest of us at some point? Do you think there is going to be some kind of opening up of the veils of secrecy?

Emery: 1,000% they want this. And I think by them doing these humanitarian projects to show their willingness to help and work with us, to learn their customs and to learn about their physiology, is the first step for human-extraterrestrial interaction and trust.

David: Awesome. Well, Emery, I want to thank you for being here.

Emery: Thank you for having me.

David: You're very brave. And I want to thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure” with our special guest, Emery Smith.







Cosmic Disclosure: Dire Consequences of Breaching Security

David Wilcock: Welcome to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I'm here with our guest, Emery Smith.

Emery, welcome back.

Emery Smith: Hi, Dave. Thanks for having me again.

David: In a previous episode, we were discussing some kinds of things that might happen where perhaps somebody is shifty and nervous, and they're looking around. And they come up to you and they say, “There's something I really want you to know, but I don't know if I should tell you.”

And I asked you, “Did that ever happen?” And what was your answer? Let's just review that first.

Emery: Yeah, there was something similar to that. It doesn't usually happen that way. It usually happens after you know someone's been in a project for a very, very long time, longer than you have, even.

And they see that you've been in there a long time, so they know that you're doing something right because you're still there.

And, you know, at the lunch table, you might be sharing some information. You might become friends, which you're not allowed to become friends with anyone, even inside these compartmentalized programs or outside. But it does happen.

David: Well, now, wait a minute. On a typical military uniform, there's a name, right, like in the Army or the Marines.

Emery: Yes.

David: Do you have names on your uniforms in there?

Emery: No, no. There's no names. You only have the band.

David: So are you allowed to tell people what your name is, or is it even . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: Okay.

Emery: Yeah, you're allowed to have “casual conversation”, they say. So people talk about their families, what they did over the weekend, common things you hear normal people talk about: movies and TV shows and funny jokes, of course.

A lot of jokes are said during lunch that people come up with that also reflect on some of the projects that we work on. But it doesn't talk about the project, so it's okay.

David: So you could get to know somebody by name . . .

Emery: Sure.

David: . . . and remember their name and talk to them. Did you also have outside the cafeteria any recreational areas that you would hang out with these people in?

Emery: Well, not recreational areas, but I became friends with a lot of the commanders and a lot of scientists that were in the same projects.

And I did illegally meet with these scientists and people for social gatherings, dinners and barbecues.

You think because it's your commander inviting you to the barbecue, that – and he's been in it for 10, 20 years more than you – that everything's going to be all right, right? And that's not the fact. That is not a fact that it's not all right.

And they put these in place – these rules – so these things don't happen and that the information does not fall into the wrong hands.

And one of the commanders on one of the projects I was working on I became really close with – a really good friend of mine. And we'd go mountain biking together. We had motorcycles. Just one of my buddies, you know?

David: Were you allowed to have a mountain biking expedition with the commander off base? Or was that not . . .

Emery: No. No, you are not allowed to.

David: Right.

Emery: Absolutely not. I remember visiting him and his wife, and my girlfriend and I, many times out to eat and things. And we would never really talk about anything to do on the base. We were really good about that.

But, you know, during our lunch hours and during other hours of trainings in these underground facilities, you do talk sometimes. People slip up and start talking about things.

And one of the things he mentioned to me was this amazing craft that he was going to get me involved with possibly to work on and to actually try out the flight simulator of an alien reproduction vehicle.

David: Really?

Emery: Yeah.

David: Now, had you ever gotten to see any craft before this point?

Emery: Yes. I did see a craft before this point but not to this extent, and they were not alien reproduction vehicles.

David: Now, what is an alien reproduction vehicle for those who don't know?

Emery: When we have craft that we find or unearth or shoot down or collect from space junk or collect from some other place in space, it's brought to these facilities, and they basically try to reverse engineer these craft to the best that they can of their abilities.

David: So this commander buddy of yours . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: . . . sounds like you guys had really gotten close. You're going mountain biking with him. You're having dinner with his family.

Did they have . . . like . . . Did you guys get chipped? Could they have GPSed you and know that you were having dinner with this guy?

Emery: No, not that I was aware of. I actually got caught with the commander in a location that I was not authorized to be in because of my clearance.

And everything went to hell in a handbag after that.

David: Well, this is a story you told me many years ago, so let's unpack this a little bit.

Where were you with the commander when he first told you about this, and what did he say you might be able to see?

Emery: There was an actual extraterrestrial craft that they had captured and brought into one of the underground hangar operating rooms . . .

David: Okay.

Emery: . . . the whole vacuumed one. And inside that, they were duplicating it in the same room, trying to reverse engineer the craft.

David: Okay.

Emery: So they started with the inside of the craft. So it was kind of like the craft was opened up, and you could cut it in half.

And it was a diamond-shaped craft, and it wasn't that big. It was probably no bigger than an 18-wheeler [large semi-tractor trailer].

David: So when you say “diamond-shaped”, could you be more precise about what that means? What would it actually look like if you had to draw it?

Emery: Like a piece of fluorite.

David: Okay.

Emery: It's an octahedron.

David: A pyramid on top, pyramid on the bottom.

Emery: Correct.

David: Okay.

Emery: That's right, but laying down. So the points are out, not up and down.

David: Oh! Okay.

Emery: So it's laying this way [Emery separates his hands to show a horizontal arrangement] and balancing itself perfectly.

David: Wow!

Emery: So they made this. They were trying to do that.

David: And you said it's about the size of an 18-wheeler?

Emery: Yeah. It's really small.

David: And what was the color?

Emery: It was gold.

David: Okay.

Emery: It actually had a light to it – a very nice light, like these lights that are on us on our face.

David: So it glowed?

Emery: Very subtle. Very subtle. And it had a very metallic surface, so it would reflect light if you shined light on it.

David: Seamless, again?

Emery: Seamless, except for the edges of the octahedron.

David: But you said it had already been dissected or something.

Emery: Yeah, . . . well, no. The craft that they were making next to it was just . . . They were trying to find out how it works and how it flies around.

And they were doing a lot of stuff with the actual electromagnetics of it. So they duplicated a half version. They cross sectioned a man-made half version, okay?

David: Like just half of a octahedron?

Emery: Just of half of . . .

David: You could cut it down the middle?

Emery: Yes, exactly.

David: Okay. How did you get there if you're not cleared to be there? If you're not authorized to be there, how in the world would you get into that room?

Emery: There is a stipulation if you're escorted by someone of high authority. And a lot of the times, for emergency reasons, you have to go to certain places really quick.

And as long as you're with someone that has a clearance higher than you, then the responsibility falls under that person for legal issues and for everything.

David: Oh!

Emery: But everyone knows that if you're not read into a project, it's very unlikely you would go see something without knowing everything about it.

And I was NOT read into the project. I was read into the project clandestinely through my friend.

David: Walk us through what happens.

Emery: So we got down to this floor. The door slides open, and we walk down a hallway around maybe 100' [30.48 m] or so. And there's another normal vacuum door that we would see that slides open, just like you see regular elevator doors that slide open, but these are VERY thick doors – extremely thick, about 24” [610 mm] thick.

Once these doors open, there's a platform, okay? This platform goes another maybe 30' [9.1 m]with railings. And it completely drops down to an abyss that you cannot see the bottom of.

David: Wow!

Emery: And the walls are completely covered in rock, just like you would see in a cavern – just pure solid rock walls.

And THAT – the room I'm about to go across this catwalk – IS a doom room that the craft is in.

David: Hm.

Emery: So you have all these different bridges going to this self-suspended operating, pressurized, giant room.

David: So you had to get through these 24” thick blast doors . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: . . . just to get to the catwalk . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: . . . through the cave BEFORE you get to the dome part.

Emery: Yes, exactly.

David: Wow!

Emery: So it's a very, you know, . . . It's very secured, for sure. And I don't know why they have this room suspended away from walls maybe a hundred feet.

So you have this giant room now. You're walking into it with multiple catwalks from other doors that go into it.

And then you come there, and the same thing. These doors open up . . . the same doors that you just saw, another 24”. And NOW you're in the bay.

David: Wow!

Emery: And that's where the two craft were.

David: Describe now what you see, and how do you approach it?

Emery: It's a large, round room with a dome top that goes very high. I don't know exactly how high – at least a few hundred feet.

And the floor is completely mirrored in a metallic, mirror-type tile. The tilings are in a hexagonal shape. And they're very large tiles. They're maybe six feet – these hexagon tiles.

I don't know if they're used for electromagnetic . . . There might be something under there. I was thinking maybe they used it to shoot frequencies up to this thing because both craft are now touching the ground, but these things weigh a couple kilotons.

So obviously, something is supporting them unnaturally that we're not used to having here on Earth – some sort of anti-gravity.

One of the craft is the original, of course. We talked about this.

And then the second one is just for instructors to learn how to fly this craft.

David: What was your experience? Were you afraid to talk and to say how awesome this looked? Did you say anything to the commander?

Emery: Yes, I did say it. I said, “This is amazing! This is awesome! Thank you for allowing me to be part of this project.” Because I was just an . . . I really just thought this is my first introduction maybe to this, and now I'm maybe going to be part of this in some way or another.

David: I'm really curious about this flight simulator system. Could you go into a little bit more detail about what is the actual experience? Are you seeing stars? And do you zoom around Jupiter and Saturn in this simulator? What do you actually do?

Emery: Exactly.

It's a complete description of 3D reality of the entire planet and the oceans.

David: Of THIS planet?

Emery: Of this planet.

David: Really?

Emery: It doesn't show anything going off planet, by the way, nothing further than the Moon, I mean. But other than that, they have complete simulations of the Moon structures, also inside the Moon.

The coolest thing was the oceans here. It's things you would never have seen before.

And whether that's just written in as a program, I don't believe so. I think it's an exact replica of stuff they already know about.

So just imagine plugging into Google Earth times 1,000 with some virtual reality glasses and being able to go anywhere.

David: What was cool about the oceans?

Emery: Well, the oceans . . . We only know about the oceans just from Google Earth and what we've learned from the encyclopedias. Not many people can get into a sub and explore the oceans.

And we know more about our own space than we do our own oceans, and everyone knows that.

And the seat is actually a part of the craft.

So there's not like a chair. It's actually molded – I'll say a mold of a seat – and in that . . . in front of that is this huge dashboard.

And this dashboard has many screens in it. It has many holographic images. It has joysticks but made for your hand. Your hand slips in them.

David: Wow!

Emery: So imagine a reverse glove, I guess, where you're putting your hands into this glove area. And your palms fit nicely on a smooth ball surface. And that is what turns everything on.

David: Wow!

Emery: Yeah. So he was beginning to teach me how to fly the craft.

David: So you got to sit in this cockpit?

Emery: I flew the craft.

David: Inside the dome?

Emery: No. I mean, this was a simulator. That's why it had a big screen in it.

They were trying to reverse engineer the seat and some of the things they've seen in there. And then this was fake. This was a big screen. It's a simulator of that craft.

David: Okay.

Emery: So they were training clandestine pilots how to use this craft with these ball things that your hands slide into.

And it's a very comfortable seat, by the way.

David: Would this morph for your body, or was it just a nice, comfortable shape?

Emery: It felt very . . . It was very plasticity. It didn't contour to your body. It didn't morph to you, but it did give way.

So your elbows and everything . . . you had to be sitting in a certain position. And it's kind of reclined a little bit, and you're sitting back like this with your hands in these weird . . . which is part of the seat, by the way, the gloves.

Don't think of gloves, everyone. Think of just holes in the seat that your hands perfectly fit on these balls that are in there.

And after going into the simulator for a number of hours – at least three or four hours – I just remember hearing that horrible sound of the doors opening because everything echoes in there.

You hear everyone's conversation – everything. There's no carpet or anything. You can hear a pin drop from 100' away.

And it's just this dead, beautiful silence and just our voices. And then when the doors open, they have this very interesting sound. It sounds like a . . . If you ever had a piece of plastic . . . I always refer to X-rays because you know how the X-ray paper is?

David: Yeah.

Emery: And you shake it, and it goes “rah-rah-rah-rah-rah”. Well, these doors do that. “Rah-rah-rah-rah-rah”, and they just come right open. And they have this “rah-rah-rah-rah-rah-rah” – this really weird vibrational noise that's just not common to hear on a mechanical door, I'll say.

And when I heard that, I looked at him, and I said, “Oh, are there other people coming?” He says, “No. No one is allowed to be here right now.”

And that's when the suits came up.

David: What do you mean by suits, exactly?

Emery: The suits . . . I was figuring on him being the ultimate commander here being in charge of anything. No one's higher than him. So how are any security going to say anything about this? Because I legitimately thought this was okay. And it was not.

And these suits are people in black suits, okay? This is not a clean area, by the way. So you don't have to have your space suits in her. This is what we call a “dirty area”. So you can just be in your uniform there.

And these suits came in, four . . .

David: Are we talking suit and tie?

Emery: Yeah, suit and tie, four or five of them. They were all taller than me and bigger than me.

David: Are we talking “Men in Black”, like with the hat and sunglasses?

Emery: No. No hats and sunglasses, just normal, big guys, but very professional.

David: Okay.

Emery: Not security either, but they could be. And I just remember them grabbing him by the arms and just pulling him away of the thing.

And then they told me to get out of the chair, and I just got out of the chair. And they put my hands behind me and zip tied me and blindfolded me. And that's the last time I ever saw him.

David: Really?

Emery: Yeah.

David: In your whole life?

Emery: Yes.

David: Okay. Walk us through this now. I know this part is very painful, but tell us.

So you have some kind of bag put over your head. You're zip tied. How long was it before you got into the room? What did you experience along the way? Was it in a vehicle?

Emery: It was a long walk. I was in three different elevators. It was a very long walk, and I was trying to trace my steps to where they were taking me, but then they put me on one of these electric ground cars that they have.

And they're very small, but they can hold four people. But think of it as a toboggan-type thing, but double the size.

And they were talking in a different language that I do not know.

The last thing I remember . . .

David: It didn't sound like any Earth language you're familiar with?

Emery: No.

David: Wow!

Emery: I thought maybe it was Navajo or some other Indian language. It sounded just an off beat of Navajo language. I know a little bit of that from living in New Mexico, but I didn't understand it. And they spoke it very fluently. And they would break in and out talking in English to me.

David: Did these people look like they were from Earth otherwise?

Emery: They were genetically modified humans for sure. Somehow they were genetically modified because they were just a little bit too large. They all looked a little bit too similar. And they were very professional and smart and very, very strong.

David: What type of race of people on Earth would they be?

Emery: They were like . . . They were white. Their race was white. They had blue eyes. They had different colored hair. They were dressed very nicely.

David: And extremely muscular?

Emery: Extremely muscular and large. Yeah.

David: Okay.

Emery: Yeah.

David: So this is intimidating right off the bat.

Emery: I was scared, very much so.

David: Were they carrying anything like a weapon or something on them when you first saw them?

Emery: No, not at all, but they were forcefully handling me. And I was being very compliant, but they were still handling me very forcefully.

David: And what happens next?

Emery: They take me out of this vehicle into a small room, because . . . I ended up getting my blindfold taken off at the end. That's why I can describe it ahead of time.

But I was blindfolded. I had . . . My arms were zip tied behind me. And they told me to sit down in a chair. And there's three chairs and a table in a 10' room.

And I was struck in the back of the head numerous times, in the neck and also in the stomach, by some sort of instrument, like a baton maybe or something.

And I did go unconscious. I was bleeding from the back of my head but nothing on my face.

They then sat down and decided to ask me a lot of questions. They were asking me questions of how long did I know about the project? What did he tell me?

You know, I admitted to having a friendship with him on the outside with his family, which they already kind of knew, but we never talked about any of that.

I asked if I could get some medical attention because I felt like I was losing a lot of blood. And a person was brought in, and they basically just applied some direct pressure to me. And they told me to go home, and that they would contact me.

David: Did you have contusions or a concussion afterwards?

Emery: Yeah, I had a concussion and a big hematoma on the back of my head. I was petrified to go report it. I thought maybe that would . . . and I think they were testing. I thought that was the next test.

And it was, because I didn't say anything. And that's how I got my job back, because I was able to keep a secret. And the secret hurt me.

David: What is it like to be in that place where you feel completely powerless, you're handcuffed, you can't see anything, and you're just getting savagely beaten? What was going through your mind? Did you think they were going to kill you?

Emery: Yeah, I just thought this was it. I wasn't even saying anything because I knew what the contract is, and you don't mess up the contract.

And even though I was misled, I didn't know that it was a . . . because it's a very touchy situation.

It was such a touchy situation, because did Smith do this intentionally? Was he intentionally trying to do harm to the facility?

Obviously, he was escorted to places that he didn't have clearances [for] through someone that had a higher clearance, which is allowed at certain times, but not at this time. This was not . . .

I guess this did not correlate with whoever is REALLY running this. He did not probably report . . . Maybe he DID have to report to someone. He just never told me.

I didn't see it this way. This was definitely civilian compartmentalized with military leaders that were in there.

Did I do something wrong? All I know is I did something wrong. I figured, “Well, obviously, I'm here in a really bad situation right now. I'm going to be killed probably, and that's it.” So I was accepting that.

I mean, I was broken down enough until they took the blindfolds off, and I just remember looking up at them. And they just said never to repeat this again, “and if you say anything or do anything, you know what happens.”

And I just knew at that point, “Well, I'm not going to die.” Why would he be talking to me? Why would he [be] looking up at me as I'm looking up, you know, [and] say this to me and giving me, obviously, another chance?

So I was sent home. They said, “We will contact you. Do not come to work tomorrow.”

And I did not want to go home because that must mean I won't be coming back, is what I thought. But then I thought, well . . .

David: How did you get home if you're in an unfamiliar part of the base?

Emery: Oh, no. They escorted me out. They already . . . I was already back to my area. That's what all that driving and going up and down . . .

They did take a DNA sample from me, a cheek swab. And they took blood from me, which is normal when things go weird.

I've heard this before that they do this to anyone that's caught in other areas.

And I was restricted from ever trying to contact him or his family ever again “for the duration of my life on Earth”, quote unquote.

David: Wow! So then you went home the normal way that you would have from your work.

Emery: Yes. Yes, with no delay. Nothing.

I literally was so freaked out. I really thought I lost everything. I thought I lost my career and my job with them.

I've heard so many horrific stories of this happening to other people and thought it would NEVER happen to me because I played by the rules. And this rule they didn't like. They didn't like what had happened.

And the last thing they were saying was just to go home: “We'll contact you.” So I thought I was out of a job. I thought I'd lost all my clearances. I thought everything was just going to go down the tubes for me.

I thought even my career with the military . . . I thought this would affect it somehow.

And that's when I did go home. And I still went to work the next day for my military job.

And then a day . . .

David: The “cover job”.

Emery: The cover job. And then a day after, I got curious and went on my mountain bike and wanted to do a little investigation of my own to go around the mountain up there by this place where we talked about how the commander had alluded to some amazing things going on up there.

If everyone looks on Google on Kirtland Air Force Base, or if you're flying over to land at ABQ [Albuquerque International Sunport], you know, everyone knows about the mountains hollowed out there.

And there are these giant doors in the mountain where they used to keep all the nuclear warheads back in the early days. And now they're used for storing other things.

And he did mention this – the commander – to me during one of our excursions. And I knew that there was something going on up there, but I didn't really have the clearance to be in or near that facility.

However, since I'm active duty member, there is a bike trail that goes all the way around that facility.

There are also four or five fences, guard dogs and MPs [military policemen] at all the entrances going into the AREA of the mountains. And those service roads are what I use to mountain bike a couple times a week.

But I was young and curious. And I thought maybe if I go up there, I might be able to catch a glimpse of something and see what's going on, coming in and out.

Also, using special goggles and stuff, you can see different energy fluctuations that I was issued at that time.

Anyway, so I went around. And I was mountain biking around this facility and probably looking at the facility more than looking at my bike trail, I presume.

And three-quarters of the way around, I became deathly ill. I felt like I was getting nuked from the inside out. And I still had another eight miles to go back to my barracks. And I did make it back.

And when I made it back, I curled up into a ball and I prayed to God to just kill me because it was the most excruciating pain I've ever had.

David: So what do you think happened to you based on what you know now?

Emery: I think that was a scalar weapon. It felt like your entire insides are on fire and you cannot do anything to make the pain go away.

You go into the fetus position, and it feels like someone is just getting your insides and just twisting them up and lighting them on fire. And it was just so horrific that I went unconscious and possibly could have maybe died at that point. I don't know.

David: So just so we're clear, do you think there's some sort of emitter, like a beam weapon, that they pointed at you while you were riding your bike?

Emery: Sure. Later on, I found out they do have scalar technology that's all pinpointed. They could do it right through the Earth here and hit someone in China – just that person – and neutralize them.

Spontaneous human combustion – no! It's not that. It's these types of weapons that they use.

So these things do happen.

David: So did you wipe out on your bicycle when they hit you with this?

Emery: No. I just slowly started getting worse, worse, worse and worse and worse and worse as I'm coming down the mountain.

David: Oh.

Emery: And I made it. I should have just went to the hospital or something, but I kind of knew where I was and . . . I've heard of these stories. They were just myths amongst the people that worked there, but I didn't really know know. Now, I know.

David: Now, you told me before that as a result of getting zapped with this that you had a post-traumatic stress disorder that developed.

Emery: Yeah.

David: Could you explain a little bit about what that is? What happened?

Emery: Well, any time I get any type of weird feeling from energies or something, it could trigger me – certain situations in life that might trigger me. You just go into an anxiety panic mode.

You know, you might not remember what had happened the last hour or so. You can even blackout sometimes.

I've actually just shut down and woke up in the bed going, “Wow! That was pretty intense.”

David: So you're lying in bed now. You've had head wounds recently. You said you had a hematoma. You had a concussion. Now you've had this outrageous directed energy weapon attack.

At this point, did you know if you were ever going to be able to work again? Or what was going through your mind?

Emery: It wasn't until the day after when I woke up from being unconscious just in my barracks from this beam weapon that I had a message. And it was to report to duty at this time. And I did.

Once again, I did meet with three people, but these were not those guys in the suits. These were the people I always work with.

And they just said, “Don't let that happen again”. And I said, “I won't”. And that was it.

David: Wow!

Emery: I got my job back.

David: How did this event change you in terms of how . . . because you said you were very enthusiastic about your job. You felt like you were in an amusement park almost – an alien amusement park. How did this change that?

Emery: There was some sort of continuity breakdown, I thought. And I just didn't believe in them anymore. I didn't believe in the structure. Like, who the heck is behind this? Who is pulling the cords? Who is giving . . . You know, who is REALLY running this show down here? Who were those guys in the black suits?

I started getting mad, like going mad. I was trying to figure it out for myself and now I can't even talk to anybody about it. I can't even . . . To my own co-workers, I can't say anything.

David: I know you can't get too specific, but where would this commander be in the U.S. military hierarchy let's say in relationship to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who report to the President of the United States and are the heads of each branch of the military.

Where would he be in that relationship?

Emery: It's all based on clearance. You can be a captain and have the same clearance as a general or a colonel. You can be a sergeant and have the same clearance as a captain or a colonel.

Remember, it's the duties that you perform, and what is needed to get the job done. It's not about the . . . They don't use the military system of rank for these positions, okay?

They use the knowledge base and educational base of the people that are put in place to run these projects.

David: So as far as you knew then, it's not like this commander might be a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or some big head wig in the military. But within your classified ecosystem, . . .

Emery: Right.

David: . . . he was almost as high as it could get for your information.

Emery: He was the highest.

David: He was the highest?

Emery: The highest that I knew in my area. And I didn't think there WAS anyone higher that had more clearances to go anywhere in that base.

David: Wow!

Emery: So . . .

David: And he never gave you the impression that there was anybody like that?

Emery: No.

David: Wow! Well, this is quite a story – tragic, but also I think very revealing of the sacrifices that you have had to make to get to where you are today to tell us this information.

How do you feel to finally have this story be shared with the world at this point?

Emery: I just want everyone to know what's really going on. And I want it off my shoulders so other people can come forward and share, and for them to feel . . . because I know they're in pain, too.

It's a hard thing to grasp and to understand unless you've actually been there. And I know there's a lot more Emerys out there like myself, and they just need a little maybe help from an interview like this to get them to come out and join us to let the people know they have the right to know about all these amazing things that are going on down there that can help humanity.

And at the same time, where is all that money going for taxes that we pay and things like this?

There's a lot of corruption. Even though these things sound cool to some people, like sci-fi movies, it's not. It should be something that is frowned upon. And the goodness should come out of it, not the bad parts.

David: Well, I want to thank you for stepping forward, and I hope that we do get more of those insiders.

And I want to thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, here with our guest, Emery Smith.







Cosmic Disclosure: Initiation Into Secret Projects

David Wilcock: Welcome to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I am here with Emery Smith.

Since information in these classified programs is so compartmentalized and difficult to get, how do you actually achieve a level of knowledge within the classified world?

What does it take to get a security clearance? And how do you progress through these various stages and ranks to get to the good stuff?

Emery, welcome back.

Emery Smith: Thanks, Dave.

David: So the first thing I'd like to start with is an audience question. And that is: how did you train to become a technician? What was your training? How did you get this training?

So could you please give us more information on that exactly?

Emery: Sure. And this is nothing secret or different than any other person that joins the military that picks a classification they want to go into.

I went into surgical technology. From there, you get different classifications because you can completely continue your education with the Community College of the Air Force and their technician programs, such as after basic training, which I only had to do a few weeks of because of my prior military training as a teenager.

I was immediately shipped to Sheppard Air Force Base in Wichita Falls, Texas.

And from there, I went through an extensive training of surgical technology and also surgical first assisting.

From there, you get deployed to another area, such as I was deployed to an air transportable hospital at England Air Force Base, Louisiana.

And that's one of these places where out of just a couple C-130s, we can drop down a whole hospital, have it ready to go in 24 hours anywhere in the world.

So that was my training just for the basics of the surgical technology, and that's where I learned a lot of this and trained under many great physicians.

And from there, I went to Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico and trained through the hospital system there.

You're always in training, so you know. There's always new things coming out. There's always new techniques.

A good example of this is just doing CPR. And CPR last year and the year before . . . it keeps changing. Maybe it's a different amount of breaths or a different amount of chest compressions.

So you have to be allocated and get your CMEs accredited for doctors and nurses and all medical people. It's an ongoing, continuing education program.

So for me, it was great because I'm high energy, and I wanted to learn more and more and more. And the Air Force just kept feeding it to me.

David: So given that this was obviously very intensive training, did you also receive knowledge that would not be given to people if they went to a university?

Emery: That's absolutely correct. The things that I have learned through the military-industrial complex and the military itself – because I was doing both civilian and military work at the same time I was on active duty – the types of training and education is not available to the general public, okay? And that's because of these different types and compartmentalized programs that I was working with.

You HAD to get additional training. You had to take different courses and things with electromagnetics and sciences, even with medicine, that were not out yet.

And I've noticed that usually after five or 10 years, some of these things would go out, like harmonic scalpels. They were using that in the early '80s, and it really didn't come forward until the early '90s. and then it became mainstream.

David: In a previous episode, you mentioned that you had some kind of high school program that started you in the military.

Emery: Sure, yep.

David: So could you delineate for us: how old were you when you got into the military? And how long did it take before you started to get invited into secret projects?

Emery: The first thing I joined was Civil Air Patrol at the age of 13. It's an auxiliary to the Air Force. It's in many, many communities. It's not a secret.

Now, during Civil Air Patrol, I also took Army ROTC. And that's just a normal thing that's in most high schools.

And so I had a really good affinity for the Army, because during the four years, I did a lot of encampments. Some of these are two weeks to a month long.

Some of the survival missions of the Civil Air Patrol could be up to a week long in very desolate areas of the world. And they teach you things, like I said, first aid and search and rescue.

So search and rescue is the biggest thing: how do you utilize an ELT, Emergency Locating Transmitting device, which is located in every aircraft in the tail section and also every boat.

David: At what point did you start to encounter information that was classified enough that it would really trip people out if they hadn't already ever heard about this before?

Emery: Probably my sophomore year. We all take these tests called the ASVAB test [Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery test].

David: Right.

Emery: It gives you job placement in the military. But I was getting additional ASVABs, where I had to travel to MacDill Air Force Base and take a test every weekend.

My Army ROTC commander says this is just additional things they ask for some people. And actually, I thought maybe I didn't do good on the ASVAB, but it wasn't. It actually . . . Later on, I found out that these are tests additionally they test children with to measure their consciousness and collective state.

David: So what did these tests lead to if you got positive results? Did you end up in a briefing? Did somebody hand you a stack of documents?

Emery: Nothing really was strange up until I went to England Air Force Base, my first duty assignment in Alexandria, Louisiana, right next to Fort Polk Army Base.

And then from there, it was really interesting that, “Oh, my gosh. You're now being assigned to Kirtland Air Force Base – out of nowhere.” And everybody else went somewhere else – all my other colleagues and airmen.

And THAT'S where things started taking off – when I went to Kirtland. And I had a really great feeling about this move.

So I was excited to get out of the swamp, get into the mountains in the higher atmosphere.

David: Did somebody give you like a knowing look or a wink or a pat on the shoulder?

Emery: Yeah. They treated me at Kirtland Air Force Base a lot better than they did at England Air Force Base. And I knew there was something going on, because when I went there, I immediately was in charge, directly and indirectly, of maybe 30 different technicians . . .

David: Wow!

Emery: . . . and surgical specialists, because I already had a lot of experience. And the next thing you know is when they approached me and said . . . one of the commanders there approached me and said, “Hey, we have additional things that you could work on if you want – additional trainings and additional education, if you'd like. And we would actually allow you to leave work early to do these things.” And so I did.

And some of these were just trauma training, air evac training, flight medicine, things like this.

And that's how I knew right away, “Wow! This is going to be a really great opportunity for me not only to get more ribbons but to get promoted faster and be part of other compartmentalized programs.”

And that's when they came to me and asked me, after I did another additional training, “Would you like to moonlight for this new wing of the military that has to do with harvesting organs?”

And I was, of course, more than welcome to sign that paper because I wanted, of course, to be more financially stable. You don't get paid anything in the military, as you know. And it was easy for me to . . .I had so much energy, it was easy for me to start a job at 6:00 p.m. and work to 1:00 a.m. and then get back up at 4:00 a.m. and be at work at 5:00 p.m. and do this over and over. [Emery may have meant 5:00 a.m..]

I was in great shape back then, because I was working out two hours a day, and the training alone was amazing.

And a lot of neat travel was involved with these things, having to go to different Air Force bases, like Holloman Air Force Base and White Sands Missile Range and some others that I won't talk about.

And it just opened up, I think, the area for me to slip into this compartmentalized program. And that's when I realized I was not going to be doing organ harvesting on soldiers.

David: So you described in previous episodes that the original nine months of your time doing these autopsies were kind of boring little squares or rectangles of tissue.

Emery: Correct.

David: So did anybody ever actually give you a briefing? Because a lot of the insiders I've spoken to . . . let me just say the context.

They get sat down at some point. They get shown weird films, or they get told things. Or they are given a huge stack of paper to read. And that's a commonality in a lot of these stories.

So I'm wondering, if you're getting these little squares of tissue, had you been given any of that kind of a briefing before that made you at all anticipate that this might be something weird?

Emery: It really wasn't until maybe six or nine months into the program where I started getting special classes, we'll say, and instruction that in order for you to work in a different operating room or a different area or different wing, you would have to go through these training instruction courses.

And it would cover things. And the word I did hear was “tissue other than Earth origin”.

David: They used that term?

Emery: Yes, they did.

David: Really?

Emery: And that's how I knew later on what was really taking place here. Whether it was true or not, the stuff I was working on definitely did not look like any type of human bodily material or fluid by far.

David: Were these no-questions briefings? Or were you able to interact with someone who was telling you things?

Emery: Once every two weeks, you would get an actual briefing from a head scientist or a commander.

But most instructions – like as far as getting upgraded to go somewhere else and you have to take different courses through them, which are very short courses anywhere from two to three hours of the things that you might encounter or work on – definitely pointed into the direction of extraterrestrial genetics and DNA and tissues.

David: Well, I know when I was in college and a good friend of mine had his physics professor, the head of the department, tell him NASA KNEW we were not alone, that the Roswell crash was real, that it was common knowledge in the higher echelons, that he worked there in the 1970s.

My mind exploded with questions. I read 300 books in the last three years I was in school, so 100 books a year – two books a week – all on this kind of stuff.

I would imagine – at least if you were me – the fire of curiosity that would have been ignited in your mind, the desire to just want to interrogate: “What do you mean tissue of non-Earth origin? Where are they from? What kind of craft did they come in? What's their agenda? Are they trying to kill us? Are they trying to help us? Are they the gods that we see in the Sumerian cuneiform tablets?”

Emery: Right.

David: Did you ask these kind of questions?

Emery: Absolutely not, because I would not be part of the program if I did at that early of a stage.

David: Really?

Emery: Later on, it was a little different. They got a little bit more lax after you've been with them for three years.

Things are very more lackadaisical where the team will share with you information like, “We've heard it came from this system. We heard . . . you know, because we've seen this before with our prior notes from 10 or 20 years ago because of these different types of rivets – you know, I'm just saying for an example – or these types of mechanics or these types of energies.

Especially frequencies was their big thing – monitoring frequencies of DNA cells, craft and all this. And THAT is how they were building their encyclopedia of all these different tissue samples, all these different extraterrestrial beings.

So it was very captivating. And, yes, for me, it was addictive. I was addicted to it. I WANTED to go to work. I WANTED to see the next thing. I WANTED to ask questions but couldn't, but hoped maybe I would be brought onto another program through working on this being, that since I worked on it and was comfortable with it, that they would show me the craft it came in, you know, things like this.

David: Did they ever make mistakes? Did they accidentally let you know something that they didn't really want you to know?

Emery: Always. Constantly.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes.

David: Like what would be a mistake?

Emery: A mistake would be to have the technicians in a meeting where the meeting was really just for the managers of that body or of that device or of that craft.

So there were many times where they cut the meeting short, and we would have to leave the room, and the people that were running that operating room or that piece of equipment or extraterrestrial autopsy would be informed of many more things of information, such as later on I found out where they came from, like what exact planet they came from, what system they came from. Are they dimensional, interdimensional? Are they the five-star, and why is that?

David: The human shape with the head, two arms, two legs.

Emery: The human shape. And if not, why aren't they five-star? Because they were maybe developed by these ETs.

There were many ETs that we found that had pets with them and extraterrestrial pets that we later coined and were trying to put a species to that . . . a separation. And they're also from the same system.

And there were actually extraterrestrials that had a species that were transporting LARGE beings, but they were not extraterrestrials. They were like . . . We would see elephants and things like this . . . that they did not come from their system.

So maybe they were poaching these things or bringing them back or whatnot. I couldn't elaborate.

Because until you get to that level to know almost everything, you really have to be in there a very long time. And I, unfortunately, left at a very early time.

David: So let's try to delve in a little bit more to the, if you will, hierarchy of a place like Kirtland Air Force Base where things started to get interesting for you.

Obviously, you end up getting deeply enmeshed in this system of clearance, classification, access, what doors does your key card open, or whatever kind of thing it is you have there.

So could you kind of break down for us: what are the different tiers, the different levels of clearance? And could there be people on the base who have no frickin' idea what's really going on there?

Emery: Absolutely. People have to understand, too, on the base, when people are like, “Well, he's on Kirtland Air Force Base” . . . and Sandia Lab Base is on Kirtland Air Force Base. It has its own security and everything.

And all those sublevels down there are also contracted out by many different corporations of the military-industrial complex. So it's not United States Air Force doing this.

David: Right.

Emery: We're the security for that facility.

And the Army is the security for that facility on Army bases. They DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING of what's going on in there.

They know it's top secret. They know it could be harmful if any of the information got out. It could be detrimental to Americans. We could lose a HUGE rocket program just if the information got out to our enemies.

So there's different classifications of who owns these different types of levels of laboratories and whatnot and the different testing going on.

Now, getting back to what you just said, it's usually three to four months when you're working with these types of programs, through my experience only with medical, that you would have to really stick to the rules and regulations, which are really basic at first.

You can't talk to anybody. You can't tell anybody. You're not allowed to be on any types of drugs or alcohol. You can't . . . You're tested every two weeks.

So there's like these restrictions for me at that time that it was a really great shoe-in, because I didn't have to do anything. All I had to do was show up. All I had to do was work and then leave.

And after every four months, you get one up. It's called a “one up”. And “one up” means you're going to get another security clearance if they do a report on you that you did what you're supposed to do. And background checks constantly – everything.

If you get pulled over for a speeding ticket, you best be on the phone and let them know. You have to tell them within six to eight hours if anything that you did was wrong, if you got arrested or got a speeding ticket – just little things – or if you're not getting along with your commander with your active duty job, any little things, or if you're getting harassed by active duty members, which I was getting harassed because they didn't understand why I was only working 75% of the shift. But I was being pulled into other compartmentalized programs.

They would sometimes base it off of an injury to tell the commanders, because they were really tight, but the commanders don't know. All they know is . . . like one of my buddies. He was pulled out because he spoke a couple different languages. So his excuse to work in these programs was he was a linguistics expert. So they would do these things.

And they would actually lie to my military non-commissioned officer saying, “Well, we need him because he has to decipher this because he was Polish or he was German or Russian.”

And so they were really good about getting around it. And then no one really asked after a while.

David: You brought up lying, and that made me think of something else. If you have Air Force and Army soldiers essentially working security knowing something top secret is going on but not knowing what it is, was there some type of disinformation that was planted to them to satisfy their curiosity but might not have been anywhere near as interesting as what it really was?

Emery: They would do that if they suspected someone was starting . . . you know, someone was leaking information. Absolutely. As soon as information is leaked or they see security guards talking or inappropriate talking on the radios or cell phones or mobiles, they would immediately send out a disinformation campaign and then wrap it up by the end of the week saying, “Oh, that was just because of this, this or this.”

But then it would really get everyone's energy . . . “Oh, my goodness. This thing was there. We saw it, and it escaped.”

But no, it really didn't, because this was just someone's pet tiger that we had in there that was used for testing drugs on.

You know, these weird things would happen all the time, so they would really try to hide it.

And if there was actually a person that visualized something, then they would end up being killed.

David: So do you think that these Army and Air Force personnel had any ability to even imagine what they were actually sitting on?

Emery: No. No. They're young cadets, young soldiers, that are just waiting to get off shift so they can go work out or have a good time. They kept it like that for a good reason.

And they would not be debriefed on anything – the soldiers that were checking you in, the soldiers that were allowing you to go through the gate. Absolutely not.

David: You mentioned clearances going one up every four months. Could you give us some idea of what those clearances are? Let's get a little bit more specific about that. Like are there . . . Is it an alphanumeric code? Is there a name for it?

Emery: Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of pop culture stuff you see online – people talking about different things, people are referring to me as, “He had 'umbra classification'”, which is an old term we don't use anymore.

And now it's more like levels of, numeric levels of, Alpha 22, Beta 17. And they have a whole slew of that.

And all those refer to different types of bases and different types of work you do.

You know, I made up to level Alpha 22, and that's all I know. There was no pop culture term back then for that. I was just an A22.

David: The letters corresponded to a particular base?

Emery: To a particular unit within the base.

David: Oh!

Emery: So there might be energy testing, aircraft testing, biological testing, all these different things. And the first letter doesn't mean anything. It's just a letter that when you came in, this is where your program is. And it can change.

It actually could change to a different letter and different number if you got transferred to another base or a different project.

For me, I was pretty consolidated because all my stuff was medical, and I kind of stayed with that.

I did get to work on some aircraft, but more like taking specimens from aircraft, not learning the propulsion systems of those aircraft.

David: So an A22 in one base could be completely different than an A22 in another base.

Emery: No, it's standard in North America.

David: Oh, it is?

Emery: Yeah. It's different than Europe and Australia. They have their own thing. But you would have clinicians, physicians, and extraterrestrials in your base that were from these bases. And they had different markings and different codes and names.

David: So would you wear something that said “A22”?

Emery: No. No. It's on your band.

David: Right.

Emery: Remember the band?

David: You mentioned the band before.

Emery: Everything's on the band.

David: So they might not want other people on the base to know what your rank is.

Emery: No! That's a really bad thing because you could trick someone into telling you something if they thought you were classified.

David: Oh!

Emery: Yes, and that would be really bad, and that has happened.

David: Wow!

Emery: And they have . . . Yeah, they didn't make it.

David: What you're describing here is so seemingly fantastic that for most people watching the show, this would be only approachable as science fiction.

Maybe they want to believe you, but something holds them back from really accepting that this is true.

Now for me, the scope of what you're saying, the complexity of what you're saying, that's when I know somebody is real, because you can't make that up. It's too dense.

What you're talking about here . . . clearly you're giving up some things. You're sacrificing some things.

You're sacrificing the ability to talk to people about this. You can't even have friends. Like, you don't get to ask questions.

So could you explain some of the sacrifices that you've been through in this amazing environment?

Emery: The technology that I was working on and the different projects that I was included in can cure the world's water problem. It can clean up Fukushima in seven days. It can get all that trash off the coast of China, Japan – hundreds of acres of this stuff.

And personally, myself with my family coming down with cancer, let's say – my mother. This could have all been avoided if they would just release this information.

So I came to a point after working on zero-point energy devices and getting one to actually operate and getting it validated by a few laboratories that my life started getting threatened. And it wasn't because of the extraterrestrial stuff.

It was because I was possibly . . . they thought maybe I was going to bring something out to the public without the knowledge of them.

So I'm very compassionate about getting this stuff out. And I really thought and feel that my life is in a little bit of danger with all the threats going on and the phone calls and the constant harassment. You can't have a normal life like this.

Your family is at jeopardy. Your wife is at jeopardy. Your friends are at jeopardy. People don't want to be associated with you.

My colleagues through many of my major corporations turned on me because they didn't want to . . . even though I'm a 50% owner of a corporation, they just stood back and said, “We don't want this to reflect on the corporation's belief system” – that extraterrestrials exist and zero-point energy and all these crazy things . . . unless they're making billions of dollars off it.

So it shows that they're just so non-integrous people that are looking at just to make money off certain things and don't want anything to do with it.

And there's people that are just . . . They feel that if they're associated with me that they . . . you know, their lives would put at risk.

So it's a lot of weight to carry on your shoulders, but I'm not stopping just because someone's harassing me or someone's trying to kill me.

I get all these remarks online. There's a couple of people that don't agree. You don't have to agree. I'm not telling you to agree.

I'm telling you my story. I'm telling it truthfully, and I'm telling you: go out for yourself and find out, because it's the only way you're really going to believe it. And that's what I did.

David: Well, I want to thank you for your bravery in coming forward like this.

Something flashed in my head as you were talking, and that is going back to the base, and we were talking about sacrifices.

I'm curious if there was ever a scene where, for example, a guy comes up to you, and he really shouldn't be talking to you. And he's all nervous, and he's looking around. And he's telling you something that he shouldn't.

Did something like that ever happen, or was it so locked down that it was impossible?

Emery: Well, after being in there over many years, people do start to open up. We start knowing, okay, this person has been here this long. They obviously are not going to say the wrong thing, or they'll be able to hold a secret.

And you're still not allowed to fraternize with anybody from any . . . You know, you can't be a friend of someone. You can't date someone in this lab. It's really that strict.

David: Well, Emery, I really want to thank you for what you're doing here. The promise of where this technology can take us as a world I think makes it worth it for both of us to put our lives on the line for this show.

And I want to thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure” with David Wilcock and our guest, Emery Smith.







Cosmic Disclosure: Suppressed Medical Technologies

David Wilcock: Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, here with Corey Goode and our guest, Emery Smith.

Emery, welcome back to the show.

Emery Smith: Well, thank you, David, and Gaia, for having me again.

David: And Corey, thanks for being here.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So we're going to get into suppressed technology in this episode, which is a vast subject. And we're going to focus in to some degree on medical things, but also just beyond that as well.

So we interviewed William Tompkins before his death, and he talked about some very strange stuff.

He felt like if you could live just a few more years that things would come out that would allow you to live much, much, much longer.

Emery: So there's a medical corporation out there and a spine surgeon who has invented this A2M alpha-2-macroglobulin protein.

And what they did is they get this protein from your blood. It's in your blood.

And it's a protease inhibitor, so it stops all inflammation once you concentrate it and inject it into the body, into your joints or whatnot.

What they found out is they were able to regenerate articular cartilage, which is the cartilage that lies under your joint in the bone. So it's not bone on bone.

David: In the knee, you're saying?

Emery: Yeah, in the knee. So here's your knee right here. And then between that, that's all covered with articular cartilage.

And Corey knows this very well because he's getting one of these procedures done very soon.

And what happens is that grinds away after a while and tenocytes, which are cells in the articular cartilage, are the hardest thing in the world to regenerate because there's barely any blood going to it.

So that's why we have all these knee problems and joint problems.

But by putting this A2M protein in there and reducing the inflammation, it seems to heal itself and regenerate.

Now, I've been able to regenerate tissue forever in the mil labs [military laboratories] and in modern day science, but what I was NEVER able to do was to anti-age a cell.

And guess what: one of the side effects they found out of doing this study was that it actually anti-aged tenocytes – THE HARDEST CELL TO EVEN REPLICATE. It anti-aged it!

So what that means for us is . . . And what this physician is doing is he's actually going on now and he made a recombinant form of it, which means they have a synthetic form of the exact same molecular structure of the actual protein in your body.

So this is going to be off the shelf. So instead of buying like aspirin to get rid of your headache, you're going to reach up and get some A2M.

Or you're going to get this . . . Instead of taking human growth hormone and all these replacement therapies, you're going to be taking A2M.

And that's going to help systemically anti-age other cells. Because if I can anti-age a tenocyte, the hardest cell in the world, then there's no problem of anti-aging all the other cells, [which] is what I'm getting at.

Corey: Well, how are you judging the age of a cell?

Is it by the amount of degradation in the telomeres?

Emery: Yes.

Corey: Okay. So is this a type of telomere therapy?

Emery: Well, right now it's so new, Corey. This is the first study that came out that showed this, which it wasn't even about that. But they found out it does do this stuff.

So I can't say because I don't know yet. I haven't seen any additional information other than that, but I would assume that's the only way you could test.

Corey: Okay. Have you seen anything about the small eddies created by the gravitational field that causes aging, [which] along with cosmic radiation, is what basically kills us and causes us to age?

Emery: Right. The only reason we age is because of this radiation from the Sun.

Corey: And the gravitational force . . .

Emery: And the gravitational force.

Corey: . . . which creates time.

Emery: Right. And time . . . that's a whole other story.

Corey: Right.

Emery: I was working on a classified project up in the New York area, about 30 minutes south of New York, and there was a device in there, a Teslatron unit, they called it.

And I can't get into specifics of it, but it was a type of time machine distortion-type thing that used Tesla energy to cure people of inflammation and diseases like HIV and herpes and whatnot.

And they're very successful with it.

It was reserved only for the elite and the politicians of our current realm here in the United States. If they come down with some diseases that were inappropriate, they can go down here [and] get zapped.

And that unit was also anti-aging people. Because when you get in there for an hour and sit down in this room, it might feel like 15 minutes but you've been in there for an hour.

And you take stopwatches in with you. There's a stopwatch locked in your locker. You have one. And that definitely shows and proves that you've been actually gone for a while, but you don't feel like that. And time DOES get distorted in there.

And you also lose weight and lose toxins and whatnot.

And I'd like to get more into that, but that's kind of a classified project right now. But that IS going to be available for the public in about a year.

So that's a new thing that's coming out that people are going to be able to look forward to.

David: Well, since our focus on this show is the Secret Space Program and the greater reality that we're learning about, William Tompkins was so excited about these life extension pills because he claimed to have met with beings that pretty much looked like us but lived a lot longer than we did.

What do you know about those types of beings, if anything?

Emery: Yeah, those beings, in their genetic DNA profile and also just in their bodies, have a way to reflect ultraviolet radiation and other electromagnetic fields and gravitational forces. And this is how they do it.

And by doing that . . . If we had that capability, we would also live a lot longer.

And that's why things in the past, in prehistoric times, grew to just unimaginable sizes because the atmosphere was so much thicker and not all that light was coming through.

Plus, there were lightning storms and thunderstorms that could be years long. And guess what happens when lightning hits the water . . .

Corey: Yeah.

Emery: . . . you create the Fourth State of Water. Secret!

David: Hm.

Emery: And guess what happens when you drink that water – mega plants. I'm talking BIG tomatoes.

So these things right now are available for us to get healed, like this Fourth State of Water I'm talking about.

So we have lots of technology that is suppressed, and we have a lot of technology that's not. Because what happens is, as a device manufacturer myself, you come out and you create something and you patent it.

And as soon as I send it in, the FDA says, “No, no. No, do it again”. Or your patents get refused.

Because you can't just patent anything, especially medically, that's going to help someone.

You could say it does this: “Well it just concentrates growth factors.” Well, that's okay.

“Don't claim that it concentrates growth factors that you're going to put in someone's elbow and stop their arthritis because then you're messing with the pill company. So we don't want to do that.”

So you can only say so much. So what I do is I create medical devices that just do certain things biologically. “Oh, it concentrates this cell or this protein.”

Then I give it to the doctor – I give it to you, Dave – and I say, “Hey, it may or may not work for you. This is what it does. Let me know how you like it.”

Then they come back to me. “Man, I can't believe what it did! It healed this wound in two weeks. We couldn't heal it in 12 months.”

I'm like, “Wow, that's fantastic. I never knew that could have happened. Why don't you write a white paper on it and publish it at a major university and let me know.”

So this is how I got to this point with the advice on medical devices and with a huge roadblock with the government and the FDA and other governing bodies.

It was very, very difficult, very hard.

David: Let me ask you kind of a pointed question. A lot of these so-called elites really look almost like Sith lords out of “Star Wars” or something. They don't look healthy. You can kind of see on them that there's something really wrong.

So if they have access to all this great technology, then why don't they look beaming and radiant and young and beautiful?

Emery: Maybe it's by choice or maybe someone is controlling them.

Corey: Yeah, the true elites are not the ones that we think we have the names of. That's for certain.

Emery: That's right. I mean, they're puppets, too, and people don't realize this. And Corey gets it.

But these things . . . These people even on the elite side . . . There's always something else going on that you're not aware of. And everyone has dirt on everybody, and things are happening up at that echelon that are probably just too much to get into right now on this show.

Corey: And I've heard also . . . We were talking about the avatar technology, using electromagnetic fields to push people into clones or back into their bodies. I've heard a tale of some of these people: when they're in public, they get pushed into their sick bodies.

When they're not in public, they get pushed into an avatar body.

David: Oh, wow! Corey, one of the things that seems relevant to all this is this very bizarre experience that you have had with a type of age regression.

And I don't know if Emery is familiar with this aspect or not, so this is a great opportunity for us to kind of drop this live and just see how it goes.

So why don't you tell us a little about that.

Corey: Right. Other than the fact that I've been talking to 8' tall blue birds, this is another part of my testimony where people are just like, “Phlusp, I can't deal with this!”

Emery: Right

Corey: The fact that in the 20-and-Back programs . . . It's kind of like a stitch in time. They pull you out of this timeline, and for 20 years, you serve, you know, . . . the 20 years.

At the end of that 20 years, you're brought back to the LOC. You're given a debrief . . .

David: Which is Lunar Operations Command.

Emery: Right.

Corey: Lunar Operations Command. You're debriefed, you're chemically blank slated, and then through pharmaceutical means, they take you . . . They put you on a gurney. They sedate you first.

They put all of these foam things all around you and Velcro you down so you can't move, . . .

(7 – Corey strapped to gurney and foam frame)

Emery: Uh huh.

Corey: . . . and then they give you an IV. And the IV is a pharmaceutical method of reversing your age, and it takes about two weeks. They put you in a chemical coma for about two weeks as the pharmaceutical is regressing you back to a certain age.

And at that point, then they take the age regressed you and send you back through time by putting you into this huge MRI-looking machine where the bed slides out.

It's like . . . An MRI is this big [Corey holds his hands about 6” apart to show comparison], and you slide in and out of it. This one's like an 8' long MRI-looking machine [Corey holds his hands about 12” apart, which means the MRI he's referring to is much longer than a standard MRI] that the bed slides out of.

Once you're regressed pharmaceutically, they then put you inside this device, and it turns on and brings you back into the same device but 20 years earlier on the LOC.

Have you heard of any pharmaceutical therapy that can reduce age or the work on it?

Emery: I have heard of some of this stuff in the mil labs when I was down there, but I wasn't part of that project. But I know there were a lot of people that were part of that project, and they were definitely dumping a lot of money into that project – more than some of the stuff that we were doing.

Corey: Absolutely.

Emery: So you can see how important that was.

During some of the briefings I had, there . . . We know some of the compartments that are near us, . . .

David: Okay.

Emery: . . . and sometimes all the compartments will meet in a big meeting room once a month.

David: Oh!

Emery: And they do base-type talks, and they do small updates on what the compartments are doing. And they also talk about finances, and where money is going, and who has money, and also who needs support.

They'll move technicians from this to come over here to help them to get this done and put this on hold.

Corey: And that's how through compartmentalization you learn all this different information that is compartmentalized from each other, because you're moved within these compartments.

Emery: Exactly. And that's how I was able to do not just, you know, extraterrestrial bodies, but hybrid bodies, clones. Then I moved on to spacecraft and from there on to energetic weapons and also portal technology.

David: Was there a name for these conferences? What were they called?

Emery: Well, it's not a conference. It's just a base meeting.

David: Okay.

Emery: It's a base conference meeting that they have once a month. And then you go in and everyone sits down . . .

Corey: Unit directors . . . like the compartment directors.

Emery: Oh, absolutely. And there's about 300 people. And there's many different meetings, so you know, because everything is split up.

I mean, I was in this medical pavilion. So that was just us. And there were about 300 members there that come to this meeting once a month.

And that's not everybody. It's not all the employees, by the way. It's just the compartments that they want to debrief or tell us there's going to be a change . . .

Corey: Gotcha.

Emery: . . . or even base changes, security changes – all sorts of stuff. And they do change things very often.

Corey: So it was in this context that the age regression therapy came up:

Emery: That's where I found out about age regression and regenerative properties that they were working on with cellular material and chemicals.

And they were trying to reproduce neurochemicals because neurochemicals have something to do with anti-aging.

Corey: Uh hm.

Emery: But I don't . . . I wasn't debriefed on the scientific part of that, so I can't answer those questions.

What I DID catch out of you, though, is you said 14 days for regeneration. And that is the key number that is used when we 3D print bodies sometimes and 3D print organs and things like that.

Because the body can only regenerate at certain levels of time, . . .

Corey: Exactly.

Emery: . . . and not many people know that.

Corey: And a certain rate.

Emery: And only 20 years? Well, hey, two weeks is not bad, because we can sometimes do bodies or limbs.

Corey: It has to do with metabolism, right? The rate of metabolism can only be pushed so far.

Emery: That's right.

David: Well, another aspect of what he's describing is temporal anomalies – time travel, time shifts, time slipping.

So if you were in these monthly base meetings, as you said, in this medical pavilion, were you aware of temporal research going on? Did you ever hear anything like that?

Emery: No. No, I have not. Sorry.

David: Okay.

Emery: Yeah. I know . . . Just from after getting out, I heard some things, but not while I was in there at all.

David: You were talking to me about this military guy who was working on a government contract, or secret government contract, for a very interesting pill.

Emery: Oh, right.

David: Could you talk to us about that?

Emery: Yeah, the limitless pill. What had happened is the astronauts and the pilots and the special forces guys were taking too many amphetamines. And it was a normal thing back in the day to take amphetamines to keep the troops going and to keep the pilots focused or the astronauts.

The problem is there are side effects to those, such as addiction, and also [they] throw off your shot because you're shaky. And that's not good.

Corey: Ah huh.

Emery: So they came up with a new pill. And what it did was it allowed you to focus and be calm and be able to handle 10 things at once very accurately.

David: Hm.

Emery: It also increased delta, beta and zeta waves in the brain to help you actually remote view anywhere from six to 10 seconds into the future. So you would be ahead of the opponent if they were throwing a punch at you for sure.

Corey: And I'm sure also the inoculations we got for AI abilities were speeding up our neurology.

Emery: Right.

Corey: Our neurons . . . There is a certain amount of resistance in the neurons, and it did something to where it allowed there to be less resistance for the impulses to travel MANY times faster.

Emery: Right.

Corey: And that was good for us when we were communicating with non-terrestrials because they think MUCH quicker. That enhances their ability to have telepathic abilities.

So when they increase your neurological fire rate, they're also increasing how quickly you can think. And you start having weird things like that, like remote viewing. You see things happen before they occur.

Emery: Right. Absolutely. Yeah, the science behind that is exactly that, speeding up neurotransmitter chemicals.

Behind this pill is actually a voltage thing.

Corey: What is it: the neurons are sodium or potassium pumps that create the resistance for electrical impulses?

Emery: Right. And by speeding up the voltage, too, and getting the voltage actually where it's supposed to be – because everyone's voltage is off a little bit – it creates another homeostasis in the neuro system.

And that's what this does: it manages that and increases . . . You know, usually, people are low voltage, and they increase the voltage at a certain point and it does exactly what you said: it speeds up that signal x10.

Corey: Yes.

Emery: So imagine if you're thinking 10 times faster than you already are right now without having an elevated heart rate, without shaking, and having 10 conversations with 10 extraterrestrials at one time.

And you're absolutely correct with this because this is how it is.

When you communicate with an extraterrestrial telepathically, we're trained to memorize about 100 to 150 questions. Because as soon as you see them and make eye contact, within 0.08 seconds, all your questions are answered, and you're sitting there smiling or crying because you feel like an idiot human, and they're just sitting there smiling and laughing back.

Because that 150 questions that I just got answered just brewed about another 1.5 million questions. Ha, ha. And then you have to wait for the next meeting.

So it's a really dynamic thing telepathically to have communication like this.

And the great thing about it is you don't have to worry about language barriers and things like that. And it's all based off more of an emotional response. It comes to you emotionally.

I know that sounds weird.

Corey: Yeah. It can come in emotions, smells, tastes, sounds.

Emery: Right.

Corey: It can come in as your own inner monologue voice. It can come in as little pictures in picture frames.

Emery: Sure.

Corey: A lot of it . . . And it depends on the non-terrestrials. They will communicate in different ways.

Some of them, just like us, are more visual; some of them are more . . . you know.

Emery: Oh, right. No, I completely agree. Yeah.

David: It's interesting to me to note that as people develop great proficiency on an instrument, like if you, for example, are a jazz improvisation musician, when you really get into the detail of how people play those solos, you have to think faster than most people do because you're not only executing the notes that you're playing, but you're planning out what you're going to do next.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of insiders have told me that musicians tend to be much more capable of being brought into these psychic, telepathic type programs.

Corey: Well, just by learning how to read music and how to compose, you're creating different neurological pathways in the brain which gives you more bandwidth.

So yeah, you're going to have more neurological, I guess, wiring.

Emery: Right. You create an extra crease in the brain when that happens. And that's why we always say: when we're looking in our brain in surgery, if it's really wrinkly, we're like, “Man, this guy must be pretty smart”.

David: Really?

Emery: And if it's really smooth, that's an insult we do to each other, “Oh, you're such a smooth brain”, because you're being stupid.

David: So why would the creases matter? I'm not sure I understand.

Emery: I really don't know. I don't even know if there's data to back that up, but this is just an inside joke we have in compartmentalized projects.

Because especially looking at extraterrestrial brains, it's just unreal the shapes of them, and some of them have four lobes, and they're extremely wrinkly. Ha, ha. And it's just an interesting thing.

So I don't know if that's medically a proven thing, but this is just an inside thing that I hear a lot of the docs and scientists talk about. So we adopted this as a joke.

Corey: This is a little off topic, but the brains that you've been looking at, do they have hemispheres?

Emery: Yes.

Corey: Okay.

Emery: There's four hemispheres to one brain stem.

Corey: Okay. All right. I was just wondering because I know how they were studying the electromagnetic fields, the electric body, and how the brain had to have two hemispheres, at least, to be able to process the electromagnetic field in a certain way . . .

Emery: Right.

Corey: . . . and use that as like a hard drive for your memory.

Emery: Yeah. I mean, not all extraterrestrials have – just to go back – four lobes.

What I'm getting at is there's many different kinds. And some of them also have this amazing harmonic ear type drum thing that is actually located as a disk in between the lobes.

So they are more like maybe a dolphin . . .

Corey: More of an auditory . . .

Emery: . . . or have an auditory-speech or frequency of either very low frequencies or very high frequencies, but not in the middle. And they say this is used for communication.

Corey: Yeah. What I was kind of curious [about] is: out of the brains that you were looking at, are they more similar or dissimilar? Are they pretty similar?

Emery: Well, you know, there are so many species, number one. You're talking about an unlimited amount of species.

Corey: Right. I was just kind of wondering how they develop on different planets.

Emery: And because of planets and their gravity and the type of body they have, it usually symbolizes if they've ever even been on a planet. You can tell by the body.

As far as the brain goes, there's just too many to go over.

Corey: Yeah.

Emery: It's just incredible. That's like asking all the brains of all the species on the planet.

Corey: Right.

Emery: It's THAT different.

Corey: The insect brains are very different than mammal brains.

Emery: Right. But they all have the five-star look, which is the head, two arms and two legs. And the brain, though, is always different. It could be very large or very small.

We thought we had an extraterrestrial at one point and it wasn't. It was a PLF [programmed life form] and it didn't really have a brain. It had some other globular formation in it.

And so it's really interesting to see how THEY make clones and PLFs, because ETs do this, too.

Corey: Oh, yeah.

Emery: They make all different kinds of things.

Corey: Especially like the Greys are standing operating hardware out there. So many different groups have been seen with these little automatons.

Emery: Yes. Yeah.

David: Well, this kind of gets into another topic we want to cover, which is the biohacking.

Now, Corey's people in the SSP Alliance were VERY concerned about artificial intelligence and losing our genetic sovereignty to machines.

But I'm curious about what have you done – and maybe we can open this discussion up – what have you seen regarding technology interfacing with biology directly, like as an implant or as augmentation?

Emery: Well, what they have done – this is what I know 100% – is they're using nanoparticles in the body that work with each other. And they're infused into the body, or teletransported into the body, and it's in your system. And you can get rid of it, but it's in your system.

And that allows them to control you. It allows them to . . .

Corey: It's very interesting. I was getting an update or an intel briefing, and in the programs, they've been trying to capture a certain type of caste of Reptilian for a while.

But if they were able to kill one, they would vaporize, disintegrate.

Emery: Yeah.

Corey: And they were finally able to create some sort of a field that would prevent them from disintegrating when they killed one. And then they did a post-mortem on it and found out that it was infested with nanites . . .

Emery: Yes.

Corey: . . . completely infested with nanites. And that's when they really began to realize that some of the Reptilian castes worshiped an artificial intelligence god.

Emery: Right. Actually, that being was made by artificial intelligence.

Corey: Hm. I was told that it was a biological being that at a certain point in their development, just as a matter of fact, they're all infused with this . . .

Emery: And this was Reptilian, correct?

Corey: It was a Reptilian.

Emery: For sure. There are these silos that make these creatures, and they are completely controlled. And they are not . . . They're different than a lot of Reptilian races, but they are Reptilian.

Corey: Right. Yeah. I've seen the genetic Reptilians that we've created that are large, green, and just as scary as the real ones.

Emery: Right. Yes.

David: When you say “silo”, I'm thinking of maybe a 100' tall cylinder of metal. What do you mean by “silo” in this case?

Emery: Oh, the shapes of these craft or permanent stations.

Corey: Like the pods.

Emery: Yes. But we're talking very large. I mean, some of these can be up to a quarter-mile long. And it goes through . . . It's in a cylinder because it actually starts here, and then by the time the clone gets out and infused with everything, it's already grown to its full capacity and it's ready for work, we'll say.

And that was created by AI. Now, who created that AI is the question.

Corey: The intelligence goes back that this AI is so incredibly ancient, and it does not come from our reality, that it bled through another reality, and it's wreaked havoc in many, many galaxies over time immemorial.

Emery: Right. It's like a virus.

Corey: Yeah.

Emery: Yeah.

David: So you're familiar with the same problem?

Emery: Yes.

David: Where specifically did you hear about the AI problem, if you can give us any details you are allowed to share?

Emery: Ah, the first time I heard about it was in the projects. They talked about an artificial intelligence that could be a threat.

And they had captured a lot of these ETs with nanites in them. And that's how we knew, like, NO ONE would do that to their own body because it's not a benefit to it unless it has to do with control.

And we found out through frequency generating receivers that even deep underground, it's still receiving some sort of, within time and space, message on a frequency.

Corey: Yeah, it is a quantum entanglement type of communication. We were using that in the programs.

They would have devices that had isotopes that had been entangled, quantum entangled. And no matter where they were in time and space, you had instantaneous communications.

Emery: Right.

Corey: If they had . . . When they were first working on temporal drives, if these people happened to travel out of phase or out of time, they would be able to tell by the slight delay exactly when and where they were located.

Emery: Oh, that makes sense. Yes.

David: The AI problem in your understanding . . . I just want to see if there's any discrepancies between what you heard and what Corey heard.

So what did you hear about the identity of the consciousness that is using machines?

Emery: We just heard that there was a threat that was AI, it was not from this dimension, and that it is now in this dimension, and it's on the outskirts of this Solar System.

Like there's a part of this AI, whether it's itself or . . . because it could be everywhere.

Corey: It is everywhere.

Emery: You know what I mean? And that's what they said. They said it could be everywhere.

Corey: It's not local to time and space.

Emery: Right. But it had a 3D something here, craft or something on the outside of the Solar System, that they were monitoring for quite some time.

David: It had a craft?

Emery: Yeah, it was either a craft or a station of some sort on the outside of this [Solar] System.

David: Okay.

Emery: We already had satellites out there long before . . . right after Voyager and before Voyager.

Corey: Oh, yeah, we were traveling then.

Emery: So we were traveling how far along ago? Can you say a date?

Corey: Oh, back in the mid-'80s, we were already traveling to other star systems.

Emery: Right. Okay.

Corey: So we were traveling out to the Oort cloud routinely.

Emery: Exactly. So that's how they picked up on us. And then what they found out, that frequency that emanates from that AI, from all of the ETs that they captured . . .

Corey: The AI signal.

Emery: Right. It's the signal. That's what they try to send back to kill it.

But anyway, what happened is all of these beings also had the same signal.

Corey: Uh huh.

Emery: So then they knew, “Oh, these are real organic beings, but they are controlled by something else – by this, as you call it, this AI.

Corey: And they can't block the field because, like I said, it's a quantum . . .

Emery: Right. It's from within time and space.

Corey: Right.

Emery: So that frequency can open up, send a frequency, and it opens up wherever they want. It's like a scalar wave; it could be anywhere.

David: All right. Now, one of the weirdest things that I ever heard that had a lot of people freaked out, . . . and I met this guy named Jacob. He was talking about an AI system that he said was underground in the Earth that was built by the bad guys and that monitors everyone's thoughts, and that if you start to think in a direction that would lead to Disclosure, that would lead to a better planet, that it will start to make you tired, to feel anxious, to do just about anything you could to not want to read that information or watch that information anymore.

Corey: Well, that's a part of a wider network. The Draco many, many thousands of years ago set up a network that utilizes not only the ley lines to . . . Because, you know, they had this technology in orbit, and it used line of sight. It communicated with the other satellites around, and also it communicated by broadcasting through this grid system.

And it is a mind control system and a monitoring system of the consciousness.

And I know that it's incorporated some of our natural rocks and minerals to kind of store information like we would in a crystal.

David: Have you heard anything like that about the idea that AI could be nudging us in some way with our consciousness?

Emery: Well, I haven't heard of that place you speak about inside the Earth. But I have heard about the mind control devices that we have on Mars and the Moon and here that send these waves down here.

And also, of course, HAARP: everyone knows about these other scalar weapons here that can send stuff.

But I didn't know anything about receiving information from these things and being controlled by this one underground.

But those are the only ones I know about.

David: So I want to end this on a more positive note. And I think it's really important in case people haven't been watching all the other shows that we cover this aspect.

I have been looking at in “Wisdom Teachings” prophecies of a solar event, a Solar Flash, across like 35 different ancient cultures saying that it leads to a golden age.

And Corey, if you could bring that up for a moment about what is the Flash and how might it relate to this problem based on your information?

Corey: Sure. The way it's been described to me, and there have been conversations recently about it, our local star cluster is traveling through a part of the galaxy that has a high energy cloud, okay?

And because of the Cosmic Web, all of the stars are connected through a thin electromagnetic tube.

And when one of these stars pushes into this heavy cloud, there is an electric feedback through all of the rest. And all of that begins to build up, and it begins to pulse through our star out to us.

David: And specifically, Corey, what did it say about that with the AI problem?

Corey: Basically, they have stated that that is when they plan on bringing a lot of these hidden technologies forward. They expect that . . . And more recently, I was told at the end of this Solar Minimum, which is like 10 or 11 years away, is when they expect this series of solar flashes.

And when this series of solar flashes occur, it is going to be basically like an EMP that's going to destroy all the technology that the AI uses as kind of like a fish in water.

It's going to remove all of that technology. It's going to clean all the bioelectrical fields of the planet and the other planets because this AI signal can reside in the electrical field of a planet for thousands, millions of years until technology comes by for it to piggyback on.

So basically, this AI signal and all of the technology that the AI is utilizing is going to be wiped out.

And at that point, they're going to bring forth all of these technologies that we've been able to see in the background.

Emery: Oh, beautiful.

David: Did you hear when you were in there if there was any . . . At that time, were they aware of any effective countermeasures against AI?

Emery: Yes. They were definitely weaponizing space. They were sending out more probes to that area.

And that's just US government, not the underground projects.

Corey: Right.

Emery: They have their own agenda with it. They'd rather capture, study, bring it here, which is not good.

Corey: Well, sadly, a lot of them worship it. They're AI prophets now.

Emery: Wow!

Corey: They're into trans-humanism.

Emery: Right.

Corey: They see that as the Ascension, or technology ascension.

Emery: Okay. I know those people. Yeah.

Corey: But those people are going to be very disappointed, because when this Solar Flash occurs, it's going to wipe out all of that technology, and we're going to have an opportunity to bring in new technologies and be free of the AI signal and all of the ETs that have been controlling us.

Emery: Wow!

David: Let me make a statement about this that both you guys . . . I'd like to hear your thoughts on.

And that would be: if we go with some of the things Corey said, there's the possibility that this AI may be almost as old as the universe.

And I've wondered perhaps if these solar flashes were an adaptive response of a living universe to be able to continuously cleanse this infection and keep renewing life and stop this thing from spreading.

Corey: I was told that what's occurring with the Solar Flashes is just natural celestial mechanics.

David: Right. But there might be some intelligent design behind it . . .

Corey: Oh, yeah. Definitely.

David: . . . to defend against this ancient threat.

Corey: Right. Well, after the Solar Flash, it changes the energy of a system to where a lot of these negative beings . . . it's not palatable for them. They can't be in these systems.

So there could be some sort of this consciously being done, but it could also just be a part of the homeostasis of the universe.

Emery: Sure.

David: Did you ever hear anything about a solar event or the idea that we may go through some sort of rapid evolution just on a natural basis?

Emery: Yeah, not through a solar event. But I have heard of rapid ascension-type stories, but nothing to really report that I feel comfortable that is rock hard solid.

So this is kind of new for me what you're saying, and what you're saying about homeostasis. I mean, it all makes . . . Just by hearing this, I would speculate that there IS some sort of homeostasis on . . . because the universe IS alive, and we ARE still here. And we're going to be here for a long time.

And we do have good ETs out there that are working against all this, and we also have the universe.

And don't forget we ARE the universe.

David: Yeah. Well, this has been really fascinating. I want to thank both of you for being here. And I want to thank you for watching.

This is “Cosmic Disclosure” with Corey Goode, Emery Smith, and your host, David Wilcock.

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Cosmic Disclosure: Aliens and Vaccines

David Wilcock: Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. here with Emery Smith and Corey Goode.

So, Emery, welcome back.

Emery Smith: Thank you, Dave.

David: And, Corey, welcome back to the show.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So I thought that we would open this one out . . . we're going to be talking about xenobiology and some really interesting things having to do with the pharmaceutical aspects of that.

This is a story that is very strange.

So since 2000, I've been in contact with an insider who calls himself Walter Storch, among other names. And he has a website called TBRNews.org.

And he has a book on there with his conversations with a CIA insider named Robert Crowley. So the book is called, “Conversations with the Crow”, because in the CIA he was called “The Crow”.

Emery: Right.

David: Most of the stuff is pretty conventional-sounding insider politics, but then there's a really weird story about the CIA being called in after a woman got hit by a car.

And she gets brought to the hospital, and they put her body in the gurney in the hospital.

And they come back and they lift off the covering on the body, and it has turned into some kind of gel. It's like melted, basically, mushed out.

And the CIA was the first to be called, and they're doing an investigation, and then – he says in the book – Air Force personnel came in, said that the CIA did not have jurisdiction, kicked them out, took the material and left.

And it's just this odd thing, and they don't even believe in extraterrestrials, but they're like, “This is not a regular person”.

Emery: AMAZING!

David: Yes!

Emery: And you know I know the answer to that.

David: Right.

Emery: It's just an amazing story, Dave. Thanks for sharing it with us.

You never even told me that story . . .

David: I know.

Emery: . . . so I'm really hyped now about how to . . .

David: Yeah!

Emery: . . . explain this jello. So what happens is this. While working in those projects in the underground labs, doing autopsies and working on these foreign tissues and extraterrestrial tissues and whatnot, some of the tissues they learned way before I got there – 20 to 30 years before I got there – they had a problem.

One of the doctors was working on an arm, actually. And after he worked on it, he put it in a bin, went in to storage for about four or five days.

They went to go back and get it and it was all goo. It was all gel – jello – just kind of disintegrated.

So this started happening on a consistent basis with extraterrestrials that were interdimensional, that could shapeshift, that were MUCH MORE advanced than regular extraterrestrials. So think like over 100 million years old for the advanced ones.

David: Hm.

Emery: And everything below that is just kind of a regular extraterrestrials. No offense. Ha, ha.

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: But they're still amazing. No, what I'm getting at is: it was a frequency problem going on where the extraterrestrials that are of this advanced state have a defense mechanism like our white blood cells fight viruses.

And this defense mechanism will not allow a human to acquire the genetic DNA of these beings, because we would probably use it for bad . . . for something not good.

So encoded in their DNA and into their genetic frequency is this program.

So if I were to go up to this being to try to operate [on] it, even fully gowned in a spacesuit, it would basically turn to gel because my frequency does not match it's frequency.

Even though it's dead, it still has frequency, which Corey can attest to. These beings can hold that up to 30 days to a year.

Corey: Right. Basically, their DNA is putting off a frequency while they're living that may be holding the molecules together even.

Emery: Right. And that energy signature will also stay there in the area, as you know through the morphogenetic field, reading these studies, testing of these energies that people have laid in bed and died, and their energy markers are still there.

So this is kind of what has been going on when you hear about, you know, these bodies being found and they turn to jello and whatnot.

So what they did is: they started inoculating a lot of the physicians there and a lot of the technicians that were working on these bodies with, believe it or not, alien DNA.

David: Really?

Emery: And when . . . It was a very small inoculation, like a TB shot, where it's right under the skin, because you just need a small amount of that in your system for you to have that frequency IN YOUR BODY to go and touch this being for 8 to 24 hours it could last.

David: Now, if you didn't have the inoculation and you touched the body, what happens?

Emery: You would destroy it. It would, within 8 hours, turn to this jello-like substance and gel, and it would just break down. It would just turn to liquid.

Corey: Is this a certain type of ET . . .

Emery: Yes.

Corey: . . . like interdimensionals that were using some sort of a medium here to exist in?

Emery: Yeah, absolutely.

Corey: Because a lot of times their energy field will hold together these types of materials to give them a body that they can then use as base material to manipulate with their consciousness.

Emery: Yes, so . . . very good point, because a lot of these extraterrestrials . . . you might see just one person here, but actually they're bilocated, and they might have three of them, but it's one person, if you will.

So picture one person in a craft outside Saturn, let's say, 33 miles long – I'll just through that out there – and that is projecting and bilocating – an interdimensional creature – a few beings down here, or just one.

And it still is him, and he IS able to manifest into the 3D and have a solid form and hold this energy, you know, like you were talking about.

So this inoculation would allow people to go ahead and work on these beings and to get whatever they needed out of these beings, or just get the samples ready, or whatever is going on, without damaging the body.

Corey: I'm sorry, was this what . . . the term we were calling “biotagging”?

Emery: YES, Corey! Exactly. Biotagging.

Corey: Okay.

Emery: So they would biotag us with this genetic material so we could do this.

What's interesting is: some of the technicians that I remember were hootin' and hollerin' about getting injected, and it became a big thing, and during my stay there they stopped doing inoculations and went to this viscus gel.

And they would put a dime size of this on the back of your hand, before you gown up, and that had enough of the genetic material that would saturate through the skin and into your body.

So inoculations were gone. Now they would use this genetic material with this gel, and then you have a good 24-hour window to work on this being without destroying the tissues of it or being of the same frequency.

Corey: Right and they can also mimic that frequency, bio-neruo frequency, with technology . . .

Emery: Right.

Corey: . . . and now can just create a field in the room . . .

Emery: Uh-huh.

Corey: as long as that being's body is kept in that field, it won't break down.

Emery: Right. Exactly. A big problem they had when they were harvesting a lot of these ETs from downed craft, especially in the '40s and '50s and '60s, was they would basically just grab them and put them in these 55-gallon drums, special containers, full of alcohol or formaldehyde.

And they thought this was going to basically keep them alive, and they just turned to liquid – you know, just gel –

David: Huh!

Corey: . . . and because chemicals also react to these bodies. And a lot of programmed life forms that are not completely organic, also will melt in these things.

So when they open up the canisters, it's just all goo, and there is nothing there.

So they started using water and other substances, saline, to transport bodies . . .

Corey: Yeah, distilled water.

Emery: They'd freeze them right away – and, yeah, distilled, purified water without new minerals in it for conductivity – and transport these beings around the world.

And some of the beings I got were actually still not thawed yet. They were still frozen.

David: You're going to let somebody give you alien DNA? I mean that seems really frightening.

Emery: Very frightening when I look back at it. And I remember a lot of the jokes between the docs and I were, “Oh, my gosh. We're going to wake up some day, and we're going to be dead from this crap.”

But you have to understand, I was a really young age during this . . . you know, when I was doing this.

Corey: At the age when you think you're bulletproof?

Emery: Yeah, when I was bulletproof, and I knew everything back then.

Corey: Right.

Emery: You couldn't tell me anything, because here you are allowing someone to put genetic material into your body, and on multiple occasions, and not thinking anything of it, because I'm thinking to myself, “My goodness, these people love me here. I'm one of their best employees. Of course, they're not going to do anything that would hurt me or kill me, right?”

So, you know, I had that kind of mentality then.

Now, oh, my goodness, it would be a totally different situation. And that's kind of where I ended up being able to work on these higher echelon extraterrestrials, because I didn't have limitations. I would do whatever it took to advance myself in that project at that time.

And if I said, “No,” then I probably would have been let go, to be honest.

David: Were you aware of any deleterious side effects of this extraterrestrial DNA?

Emery: Yes. And they DID brief us on this that some side effects could last anywhere from 24 hours to 7 days.

And some of the side effects could be . . . your eyes would change color, maybe. Sometimes you would have a luminous glow where you . . .

David: Really?

Emery: . . . in the dark would actually cast about three inches of a glowing light that you could not see where it emanated from was one thing.

David: Hm.

Emery: But nothing that was . . . I never got sick or a headache or a stomachache. It was never anything like that. It was just weird morphogenic anomalies.

Corey: Well, other than what you described, the TB-type administration of the genetic material, did you receive any other inoculations or shots?

Emery: Yes. Unfortunately, even when we join the military, you know, you stand in the line . . .

Corey: The gauntlet.

Emery: . . . to get 15 shots of who knows what. And in these classified projects, you have to be inoculated with many different things.

And some of the things, I do not know what they were.

Later on, I found out that these things were antibodies, because in the past they had many outbreaks of different types of diseases in there that were of unknown origin.

But they were able to isolate these viruses and bacteria, make an antidote for that and use vaccines for it, and then you would be given these things.

And I never had reactions to those either that I'm aware of.

But I think it did, later on down the road . . . I think, with my neurological system, I think there was something going on that was . . . as I got older.

Corey: Yeah. And a lot of these injections they give you DO affect your neurological system.

I was given an inoculation for an intuitive empath that is suppose to enhance your abilities, and it REALLY enhanced them. It was amazing.

I was told that we received it from ETs. I don't know if it came from a genetic experiment where they were dissecting an ET, found chemicals that enhanced us, or if it was handed over to us. I don't know.

But it DID have non-human genetic material in it, or enhancements in it, and, yeah, there were a lot of side effects.

Emery: Right. I can attest to that, too, because a lot of the blood and stuff we were taking from these extraterrestrials, trying to figure out how they heal and all sorts of interesting . . . and how it raises consciousness.

And in their blood they had proteins and different types of antibodies – amazing different . . . a whole plethora of amazing different cellular activity and proteins in there that they were recombinantly, synthetically, making from this and selling it to Big Pharma.

Corey: You know, it's interesting enough, you may have dissected genetic material that had come in through the Space Program, . . .

Emery: Sure.

Corey: . . . because we've talked about on Cosmic the human slave trade.

Emery: Right.

Corey: But there is also . . . We receive a lot of technology from non-terrestrials by giving them genetic materials from humans and, you know, plants and other things on Earth.

Well, we receive genetic materials in trade as well from all over the cosmos.

And I've heard that some major breakthroughs pharmaceutically have occurred from these biological samples.

Emery: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, the advent of them now testing with these amazing pieces of equipment that we don't even have in the civilian world as far as . . . like, you're talking about Xeroxing people.

They actually Xerox cells now in the same fashion that you were talking about. And they're doing it with the genetic material that they're acquiring from these ET autopsies and whatnot and the tissue samples from these beings.

So I agree with that, and I think Big Pharma has profited immensely from these projects, because the corporations patent these proteins and genetic materials and then they sell it to Big Pharma.

Corey: And not only that, pharmaceutical companies, the inoculations they give people, the flu vaccines, those . . . the viruses, live or not, inside those inoculations are a delivery system to carry genetic changes to our DNA.

Emery: Right.

Corey: So we are doing genetic testing on our own people with non-human DNA, terrestrial non-human DNA, and DNA from off the planet.

Emery: Yeah. I've read a couple of briefings on this that stated, especially with the part that has to do with your hormones, . . . So they're really kind of turning men with . . . shutting off their testosterone and making more estrogen.

And for the women, they're just giving them more estrogen and shutting off their testosterone with these supplements and pills.

And that's not good because then it starts to mess up the body because the body's not in homeostasis where it's supposed to be.

Because if it was, everything would just activate and open up and our bodies could heal itself.

Corey: Now, I know you've followed the stories out about vaccines and how they're finding more and more evidence that it contributes or causes autism.

Have you seen anything or have you seen any studies about this causing autism and have you heard anything about Starseeds and the possibility that some of these autistic children are Starseeds that have been targeted?

Emery: I'm not part of those projects, I'll just say up front, but I have heard through my colleagues that are part of projects that are associated with that that there is something going on as far as the inoculations with these children. And they ARE special.

Everyone is special, but you know they ARE special, too.

Corey: Oh, yeah.

Emery: And there's something that's going on in the genetic makeup of this that HAS been either accelerated for the good or suppressed.

And I know you know a little bit more about that than I do, but that's all I really know as far as the autism goes.

Corey: Hm. Interesting.

David: A lot of the people who are researching autism have also done genetic tests independently and concluded that there are highly abnormal and toxic amounts of aluminum in the bodies of people with autism.

Corey: Mercury.

David: What do you think is going on with that? Could people chelate and get rid of that aluminum and maybe reduce those symptoms?

Emery: Oh, yes. They can . . . That stuff can be taken out of the body and be chelated out in more than one way.

And there's special waters out there – the fourth state of water, the plasma state of water – that have recently been introduced to the public that allows . . . You know, we had one of our . . . My colleague had one of his workers that was welding, and he got mercury poisoning and some other metals in his body.

And he had a family and some children, and he was very young, about 35 years of age.

And he was so toxic that they moved him right to Hope Hospice and said he had four days.

Corey: Hm. Because that goes through the blood-brain barrier, doesn't it?

Emery: Yes! That's the problem, because you can't get it out once it's in the brain because the fat in your brain sucks it in without taking . . . you could imagine.

But we were wrong. The fourth state of water has some sort of binding abilities, and it actually bonds to the metals in the body.

So I think he drank maybe 9~12 liters of this in one day, and then two or three days later, he was COMPLETELY free of mercury and lead.

And I'll tell you right now, there is none of us here on this set that does not have mercury and lead in us to some point. But he had zero.

So somehow this advanced water stimulated his body and bonded to these metals and brought them out of the body in some form or fashion. And I don't know scientifically how, but this has been documented.

David: Well, but in general, if someone had . . . like if they go to a naturopathic physician, for example, could they get prescribed a heavy metal detox?

Emery: Yeah. Well, there's chelation IVs. Of course, they're the most popular to take these metals out of your body.

And I would highly recommend anyone that has metal poisoning to do that or find this fourth state of water that's out there that's bottled. And you can buy it bottled.

David: And what is the fourth state of water exactly?

Emery: It's a purified water where they run plasma gas through it, and it changes the structure of the water, the molecular structure.

And they've had some miraculous things. This water hydrates 10 times more than water, so you only need to drink that much [Emery separates his thumb and forefinger 2”] of a regular water bottle to get the same hydration.

So the military is adapting it and doing some testing now because it cuts down the packs for the soldiers. You know, those are sometimes 80-lb packs that these guys . . . It could be up to 15 pounds of water.

Corey: A gallon of water weighs a couple of pounds.

Emery: So by eliminating all that, still having the same hydration, imagine how much farther you could run and not have all this weight, or imagine you wouldn't have to take as much water on a deep space exploration using gas combustible rockets.

So in the 3D, this is where it's going.

Corey: We're getting to a point now to where we're going to start managing our own genetic and spiritual progress. We're not going to be a Petri dish for dozens of different ET groups and black ops groups.

It's something that's going to be exposed and over time become public, and something that we're all going to begin managing ourselves. It's not going to be done behind our backs.

Emery: Right. And that's amazing because once you have control over your own body, amazing things can happen.

One of the reasons the extraterrestrials find humans so fascinating is because we are one of the most adaptable creatures in all the universe.

That means you can poison us, you can throw UV light at us, you can throw electromagnetic waves at us, and you know what, over hundreds and hundreds of years, we adapt. We're like roaches. We can't be killed.

Corey: All evolution happens through stress.

Emery: Yes.

Corey: One of the things that I was told is that our chemistry, our body makeup, is extremely easy to manage and manipulate, more so than a lot of these different ET groups that had to do it over many years of adding technology . . . and managing themselves over many years.

Emery: Exactly, Corey. They over-engineered themselves over time.

Corey: Uh-huh.

Emery: And that is why a lot of ETs are coming back now, and that's why a lot of the stuff I heard you say about the trading and stuff. . . you know, they're trying to fix themselves.

And a lot of them are also just us a couple of million years from the future.

Corey: Right. I've met a few of those.

Emery: Yes. So what's going on now? Do we keep our genetic material in a bank right now?

Corey: From what I've been told, we're going to go through quite a phase in the future. We're going to go through a phase where we rebel.

We find out about all these genetic programs, and we'll rebel against it, and people will start hijacking or hacking their own DNA. And things go crazy to a point to where there are no real different groups of humans.

There aren't really Caucasians and different types of humans. They all kind of mix for a while.

And then we start playing with our genetics in a way that we start tailoring them how we want until we get over that point and then start getting serious about being a cosmic population that is managing their DNA properly.

Emery: Right. Yeah. We are the superheroes of the universe – they look at us – and we look at them like they're the superheroes.

So it's a really neat thing when you are communicating with extraterrestrials to hear this relayed to you, because we think we're just so scrawny and not a big deal compared to that big universe and all those amazing creatures.

But we all work synergistically together, and they are us, and we are them in a way – not all extraterrestrials, but some.

David: I find it fascinating, Emery, that we are coming up against a belief system that's very strong in which people have been taught to believe that the Earth does NOT provide for the health of its people, that we would need to synthesize or artificially manufacture something that wouldn't already be provided by nature.

And so as we go back to that belief, . . . Like you're talking about Chinese herbs, that they're actually superior to the things we could manufacture.

Do you feel that ultimately, we are living in a benevolent living cosmos that DOES provide for all of our needs?

Emery: Absolutely. And that's why we're here today. I mean, the Earth HAS provided for us and so HAS the universe, showering us down with coded energy and material to let us live with the Earth. They're all working together. They're one big giant family, think of it.

Think of all the planets as people. Think of the universe as one.

Everything you need is right here. It's the body. And if you get it at a homeostasis working correctly, it'll fix itself, and all that other stuff just helps it mutate into either a stronger body.

So I think . . . And one of the programs I was working at with regenerative long-term space travel was: there was no part of Earth on these crafts.

And people traveling, and astronauts traveling, were deteriorating, especially over nine months.

Corey: Yeah. They started piping in the frequencies of Earth.

Emery: Right. So they started recording crystal frequencies, rock frequencies, tree frequencies, and all this stuff, and actually bringing plants and crystals and rocks . . .

David: Really?

Emery: . . . into space with the astronauts.

David: Wow!

Emery: And guess what happened? They stayed up twice as long without any . . . because they had a part of Earth with you.

Unlike Superman, where if he saw kryptonite, part of his planet, he would be killed, it was the opposite. It allowed us to survive.

Corey: I think you described homeostasis. Life develops in homeostasis. So any planet where life is developing on it, it's going to develop a homeostasis to a point to where everything is going to be there to keep homeostasis, . . .

Emery: Right.

Corey: . . . including medicines.

Emery: And so far, Gaia hasn't kicked us off the planet, yet, because we've been paying rent, but we've been partying too hard, damaging the planet.

So we need to shake that up, and we need to clean up the planet. That's the most important thing to me because without the planet, there is no us.

And then the next more important thing to me is all the animals and mammals of the planet.

And the third thing most important to me is us, the humans.

Because we need all that to work in homeostasis, including the plant life, or we don't exist.

So it's important that we take care of this planet, and that we clean it up with all the horrible things we have done to it that even are not discussed, which you know about, with deep underground testing.

And this all poisons the planet.

And Mother Earth and Gaia will not stand for that much longer.

She's been through this before, and she WILL cast us off, so we need to get the rent up ahead of time and start cleaning up our apartment or there's going to be some fury coming down on us.

David: I find it interesting . . . I stopped watching commercial television in 1991. I was really disgusted with it.

And one of the things that I noticed before I really quit TV, and, of course, now I'm happy to be doing a benevolent form of television that actually raises consciousness, but I would notice that there would be a toxic food product, like a fast food or a processed food, followed immediately by a commercial for pharmaceuticals, which are treating the effects of eating those foods.

So it's as if . . . And then the only other thing you see are commercials for fossil fuel burning vehicles.

Those are the three big things: fast food, pharmaceuticals and cars.

Emery: Right.

David: So how do you think we can un-hypnotize people from the belief that you MUST go the pharmaceutical route if you get in trouble?

Emery: You just did it.

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: And that's what we're doing here. We're making people aware. It's really up to us and up to other people like us. And you have options. You always have options.

And soon there's going to be a lot more options that will just be all out there where you can choose what you want to have, and you can tell the doctor what you want.

David: Well, what was so interesting – I'm thinking about Corey now – is when we started the show, he was not clean eating.

And in the course of some of the ET contacts he had, . . . why don't you tell us a little bit about that, how that changed you.

Corey: Right. Yeah. I was about 80 pounds heavier than I am now. But, yeah, they were trying to get me onto a high frequency diet for some time. And I was eating corn dogs and ignoring them to a point where finally, I ended up getting food poisoning, and I was sort of forced onto this path.

Emery: I remember this, yeah.

Corey: But ever since I changed onto this path, the changes that have occurred in me have been just amazing - the cognitive changes, the health changes. I mean, they've been undeniable.

Emery: Oh, absolutely.

David: And you were able to get off of pharmaceuticals that are supposedly never able to be quit.

Corey: Right, yeah. I was on heavy doses of Xanax for PTSD, and I was able to quit them cold turkey. The doctor told me not to do that. I quit it cold turkey.

I didn't have any symptoms from coming off the medications. It was an amazing experience.

Emery: Wow! Yeah. I can correlate to that because I recently changed my habits lately.

And the messages and the remote viewing and the intuition has just skyrocketed by doing so.

So there is definitely something to what you're putting in your body and the frequency for that.

David: And I remember Pete Peterson on this same topic telling me that people simply changing their diet can lead to as much as a 20-point boost in the IQ.

Emery: Oh, for sure!

David: You believe that?

Emery: Yes, sir! Absolutely.

David: Why do you think that would happen?

Corey: Toxins and inflammation.

Emery: Yep. Inflammation and toxins – that's the key.

David: How would that increase your IQ, though, if you get rid of inflammation and toxins?

Emery: Well, because inflammation is slowing up your heart rate. Your heart has to work harder. You're full of cholesterol and all these other fat soluble things floating around.

And that limits the amount of hemoglobin and oxygen GOING to your brain.

David: Ah!

Emery: So by increasing the oxygen content to your brain, you increase angiogenesis, the formation of new blood vessels, which then saturates your brain and gives it all the energy and oxygen and food that it really needs.

And things hinder that like smoking, taking drugs and eating bad, and whatnot, not exercising.

So by just eliminating a couple of those things and getting out and moving around a little bit, you're increasing this mana that's in you and allowing the frequency to change and take place.

David: And here at Gaia, we have a lot of programming about tai chi, yoga, things like this.

How do you see those movement disciplines as related? Is there a reason for people to be doing that kind of stuff? Would that also help?

Emery: I think it's very beneficial, in my own opinion. I do all those things.

And, you know, you're bringing energy in, and you're thinking positive. And just that alone, reducing the stress in your body, being able to shut your mind off for just an hour a day, does wonders for your consciousness and for your health.

David: Well, that's awesome. I want to thank you, Corey, for being here. I want to thank you for being here, too, Emery. And I want to thank you for watching.

This is “Cosmic Disclosure”, and we'll see you next time.







Cosmic Disclosure: Disrupting Disclosure Strategies

David Wilcock: Welcome to another episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and we are here with Emery Smith and Corey Goode, truly a roundtable of insiders' insiders, giving you cutting edge glimpses of a world that most people have no idea about.

So Emery, welcome back to the show.

Emery Smith: Thank you, Dave.

David: And, Corey, welcome back.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So we're going to start off with a question from the audience. And this is a question for both of you. And the question is:

“Do either of you have any regrets about coming forward?”

Emery: I don't have any regrets.

I mean, I look back . . . Of course, when certain things happened, certain traumatic events, I'll go in that mode for maybe an hour or two, like, “What am I doing? I'm going to end up dead or something.”

David: Yeah.

Emery: But in the grand scheme of things, when I look back on everything, I just cannot even believe I'm still here, number one. And number two, I get to tell everybody about it.

And number three, I actually enjoyed doing all this stuff and experiencing all these amazing things, and I appreciate that.

And I'm compassionate about all the stuff that I've been through, and the things that I have done, for not just me but also the people I was involved with and also the beings that I was involved with.

And it was very rewarding, actually. So I think of a bigger picture moving forward, and I want to make a big difference for everyone. And I want to help everyone and help the planet get to a state where it's at a great level of consciousness so we can advance into space and into other realms.

David: Well, but like the rest of us, you've had some very harsh threats.

Emery: Very.

David: And I think a lot of whistleblowers . . . You know, we talked about the idea of: if they wanted to kill you, they would have killed you.

Emery: Right.

David: Right. So . . .

Emery: Absolutely.

David: . . . they didn't ACTUALLY want to kill you.

Emery: No.

David: But what has happened to you may have been intended in part to try to intimidate other whistleblowers so they wouldn't come forward.

Emery: Oh, of course. That's the whole intention is to instill fear through me speaking to you about incidents that have happened.

And like I said, if they REALLY want you dead, you're going to be dead, and I'm still here.

David: Right.

Emery: Knock on wood. So I think it's more of an intimidation factor.

Also, they want to cripple you so you won't talk. You know, they want to make sure I don't get here.

David: Right.

Emery: And you've seen what I've been through just in the last two weeks trying to get here.

David: Absolutely.

Emery: So it's a very dynamic thing that they have going on. And they're very precise on how they do it, and that . . . They don't go too far, because it takes a lot of people to vote on someone being terminated, I'll say.

David: Right. Corey, any regrets about coming forward?

Corey: You know, mostly in the beginning, I did have some regrets.

I had a good career that pretty much was destroyed. But having two children and a family while having helicopters buzz your house, as happened, having laser dots on your chest while you're standing next to your son, I've had my share of threats.

Now I see the big picture, but in the beginning, I had a lot of regrets for coming out or for being brought out.

I had regrets for how I was brought out as well, because I didn't have much choice in the matter.

David: Right.

Corey: But if I had been given the opportunity to come out on my own, I'm sure I would feel a lot better about the beginning portion.

But now I see the big picture that Emery just discussed.

David: So let's get back to the topic that we were on last time [that] we're going to continue with, and that is the subject of underground bases.

We had started to talk in the previous episode about these solid holograms, and you had said, Emery, that they are projected out of satellites.

So is this at all related to Project Blue Beam, or is it something else? How would that work?

Emery: Yeah, I think it's separate from that now. That was an older project.

And now they have a more advanced type of satellite, where it actually uses multiple satellites to do it. Sometimes [there is] not just one satellite that can project.

They might use up to nine satellites to do a projection

Corey: Project a grid . . .

Emery: Yes.

Corey: . . . out over an area – an operational grid.

Emery: Absolutely. And they can also set this up on the ground, using giant cargo containers and trucks, and do the same thing on a terrestrial basis, you know, on the land. But most of it's done through satellite technology.

Corey: I agree. A lot of it's done with satellite technology, but some of it has to be done from the ground to give it the full . . . each layer, the depth, that it needs to make it believable.

Emery: Exactly. Yes.

David: So what do you think is going on with it being able to make a solid surface? How would that be possible? Is it like . . .

Emery: I mean, I'm just hypothesizing here. I don't know the science behind it, but somehow, they are able to change the mass of the atoms in the air and use moisture as well, vapor of some sort. Some say it's glycerin-based. I don't know.

They might draw up . . . A couple of planes might fly over and spray this stuff, and then the next thing, you have a really good . . . Let's say you have a really good background to project this film onto.

So I think it has to do with that of rearranging the molecules and atoms somehow into a denser state, . . .

Corey: Right.

Emery: . . . where you have this palpable type of mass.

And like I said, I didn't get to see like the hard one that Corey has seen, but I have touched the ones that are just very palpable.

It feels like I'm touching a memory foam mattress, that kind of . . . It pushes back.

But then if you really try to push through it, you will go through it.

Corey: This other technology worked on some sort of . . . It electromagnetically locked. It goes back to wetter moisture . . . They're able to . . . I guess kind of like when you go to an MRI, it makes all of the metals in your body go to one side, to where they can view it. It does something similar.

It turns everything, all of the molecules, into one direction, I believe.

Emery: Right.

Corey: And then it magnetically locks them.

Emery: That's right. Yeah.

David: Hmm! So given what you said, Emery, would it be possible that they would, like let's say, spray an aerosol and then that hardens into sort of like if you put chocolate on ice cream or something?

Emery: No, no, it's still floating in the air. You can't see it. I mean, it's very small nanoparticulate matter, made up of . . . I don't know the actual ingredients and concoction. I just threw out glycerin and water because I heard on the earlier projects that's what they were doing inside the lab, . . .

David: Ah.

Emery: . . . and projecting stuff onto this steam and film.

Corey: Ah, like a solid smoke?

Emery: Yes.

Corey: Right.

Emery: Yeah.

David: Hm. I've never heard of that.

Emery: But it wasn't, as you say, a Magic Shell topping on the vanilla ice cream.

David: Right, ha, ha.

Emery: But it's more like it's in the air, and you notice that it's not as clear as it usually is. And . . .

Corey: It's particulate.

Emery: It's very particulate, yeah. So it's floating around.

David: Now, we had been talking about remote viewers being used, and I think that's a subject that we kind of rushed through right at the end of the last episode.

Emery: Oh, right.

David: So let's talk about that a little bit more.

Now, you said that . . . One of the things that we were looking at about these underground bases concerns something that you guys . . . I think, Corey, you mentioned the term “delta waving”.

So why don't you bring that up, Corey, about what is “delta waving” and how does that relate to people working in these underground bases?

Corey: Well, I mean, it was developed in underground bases, but those are used more for when they go into a neighborhood and they want to abduct someone.

They delta wave or create delta wave patterns in all of the people around, causing them to go into a deep sleep, to where they can't observe what's going on.

More of what kind of applies to the deep underground bases is that you have thousands and thousands of people going to work every day.

They know that they're doing something very important, but when they come home, they either have no idea what they did all day or they have a screen memory of what they did, because they're blank-slated at the end of every shift.

Emery: Yeah. As you walk out, they blank-slate you.

David: How did that work for you when you had that done?

Emery: I didn't have that done. That wasn't used in my compartments ever. And my security clearance was pretty good as I got escalated so quickly in there. Plus, I had a really good standing, record.

I never really messed up except for maybe one or two times, which is not a lot in these projects. People are constantly messing up and making mistakes.

One thing that I do know is that in the projects they do it also to military people.

And when we go on missions, whether it's to look at craft or extraterrestrials or go through portals or time change things, some people come back and they have some serious PTSD.

And if you can't get rid of that in a week or two, then they will do this as well to you.

Corey: Yeah. But the unusual thing is that it DOESN'T get rid of their PTSD.

Emery: No, it doesn't.

Corey: What will happen is that people will have unexplained PTSD.

Emery: Right.

Corey: And they'll have multiple types. They'll have combat-related. They'll have complex. And those types of things are . . . They usually only happen to people that were in war and involved in serious abuse.

Emery: Yes. I know high echelon military officials who ran large flights and platoons and many different types of defensive and offensive type missions.

And I know some colonels and generals who've been mind-erased at least 20~30 times, because it's just too . . . it's too much. They go through too much, holding onto . . . you know, losing many cadets and soldiers.

And it DOES take a huge impact on these people and all the way down to the person on the front line, or as we say on expeditions, the people at the front of the expedition, who during . . . when you're going to an area that you're not aware of what you're about to expect with a craft and extraterrestrials. And, you know, people get hurt because they walk in there too quickly.

Corey: So about what year was the last year you remember being in one of these facilities to where blank-slating was going on?

Emery: Ah, 1993.

Corey: '93. And do you happen to know the method of blank-slating that they were using?

Emery: No. I just . . . I know about this because there were certain compartments that had to go . . . when they left, they had to go through this airport-type device. And that's what they said. And everyone kind of knew, though.

Everyone thought they were just looking inside their bodies and what not, but it actually was doing what you said. It was erasing their memory or putting them to sleep.

It was affecting their brain wave pattern for sure that they would not go home and be worried about what they did today. They would really just rather go home and just call it a night and go to bed.

So it was affecting them in the brain that way.

David: When you say “airport-type device”, are you saying like a metal detector or body scanner?

Emery: Like a body scanner.

David: Would they fall and pass out, or how would it . . .

Emery: Oh, no, no, no. I'm saying that it's reprogramming your brain, like make you believe . . . you just got a whole . . . you did a whole 12-hour shift. Now you're leaving.

And as you walk through these things, you can't really recall exactly what you worked on today, and you really just want to go home and rest. You're not thinking about going out and partying. You're not thinking about going to the grocery store.

So a lot of people complained about this, because some people forgot to pick up their children at the nurseries and stuff.

David: Oh!

Emery: So they had to tone this thing down and perfect it, because back then it wasn't really that perfected.

Corey: And that definitely sounds like a mechanical way, technological way, of doing it instead of chemical.

Emery: Yes, it was.

David: Given this technology exists now, how many people do you think might be in the military and unaware that they're doing something this exotic?

Like how many people might be walking around without a clue?

Emery: They know what they do. They just can't recall what they did. And they're okay with it, because when they get back the next day, don't forget, you remember everything when you're back in there.

David: Oh.

Emery: And then you're okay until the end of the day.

So it's not like it's a forever thing, because . . . As soon as you walk back in there, everything's okay again. Everything comes right back.

Corey: Because they give you a cue when you walk in the door.

There's a specific sign or a specific cue. When you walk in the door, it tells your brain to remember.

Emery: That's right. And they've done it with sound and symbols on the walls and to the hallways and stuff is what I've learned from experience, and what I've learned from . . . What they're doing RIGHT NOW is that.

David: Let me just throw this in. One of the things that is very, very frustrating for me when I talk to Pete Peterson, which I do two or three times a week for two hours on the phone usually, whenever we really get into the good stuff, he just immediately starts passing out.

He starts falling asleep. He'll trail off in the middle of a sentence, and I'll literally hear snoring.

[David on a video clip interviewing Pete Peterson.]

David: “Hang in with me Pete. Stay awake, buddy.”

Pete: “I am. I'm listening.”

Emery: Perfect example.

Corey: Program trigger.

Emery: Perfect example.

David: So what do you think that is? What's going on there?

Corey: That is more of a hypnotic thing that's been programmed into him. That's a long . . . It's a little bit more involved of a process, but you can be programmed to have a seizure when you're accessing memories, to fall asleep.

There are a number of things they can program you to do.

Emery: And certain words and frequencies . . . like, “I want to tell you something about Project Backscape.” I can't, because soon as I think about that, it shuts down. I can't even say it.

Corey: Or you start stammering, or you . . .

Emery: You'll start stuttering.

Corey: Right.

Emery: I've seen this many, many times. And you will sometimes go unconscious or have seizures or whatnot.

So this is a really good program. I'm not sure how they exactly do it. I think it has to do with the same type of technology that they use to wipe your memory clean and whatnot.

And I know it's the same stuff that they use on the PLFs [programmed life form] and clones.

David: If you're going to remember everything as soon as you go back to work, does that mean, based on your experience, Emery, and then Corey, you can get your opinion on this too . . . Does that mean that these people are basically in for life? Do they continue working their whole life?

Emery: Oh, the majority of these people, for sure, when they take this job, they know that this is going to be a lifelong thing.

I mean, with all the NDAs [non-disclosure agreement] you have to sign and all the threats you get and all the little things they do, you're here because you really want this job.

Corey: And they make it very difficult to obtain or hard to earn to get the job.

Emery: Absolutely.

Corey: I mean, the security clearance on its own, you know, . . . But all of the other hurdles they make you jump, you covet the job, and you don't want to do anything to lose it.

David: So what are some of the kind of mistakes that people could make that . . . You mentioned that you could make a mistake and get in trouble.

What are some of those kinds of mistakes? What could happen?

Emery: Well, going into the wrong area, number one, happens a lot. And that is a very bad mistake – could be fatal – if you walk down a hallway you're not supposed to be down or enter a room you're not supposed to be in, as you're being tracked through the whole facility every second.

Another one is people try to take things out of there, little trinkets and little things that should not be on the surface. And that's instant death.

David: Really?

Emery: That's instant termination if you get caught actually beyond security with something like that, or if you just made it through security.

It shows that you already had the intention to do that, and you had to go through great, just huge expense, huge planning to even do something like that, because . . .

Corey: It doesn't happen by accident.

Emery: It doesn't happen by accident, because you know they can see through your body. Okay? You know they know everything. You know, they hear everything, see everything.

While you're in there, there is no private place anywhere, and you are always tracked, and you are always reminded.

And they do little tactics every now and then with different colored lights and warnings and sounds and different sirens and beeps to just remind you, “Hey”.

Maybe something just happened; maybe it didn't. Maybe they just did that to up your game, so you better . . .

So it's kind of that kind of environment, but it's also a very laxed environment amongst the scientists and the physicians that are in there, that are doing all this stuff. And there is some play and some joking going on.

Yeah, so that's kind of the two biggest things is: going somewhere you're not supposed to go, and number two, bringing something in you're not supposed to bring in, smuggling it in, or bringing something out you're not supposed to bring out.

David: Is everyone aware that they would die if they . . .

Emery: Yes, everyone knows it's a huge risk to your life or your family's life. So if you're REALLY good and you screw up, and they still need you, they'll just take out your daughter or your son or something.

David: Oh, wow!

Emery: I didn't have a daughter or son, so they took out my dogs. So it's like . . . It gets to this point where you've got to be really wanting to do this and also be loyal to what you're doing. And then you'll go really far.

David: All right. Well, let's talk about what are some of the programs that are occurring in these bases.

And specifically, you have mentioned in the past some genetic experimentation that you personally witnessed and that was sort of like your specialty.

So could you cover that for us again now that we have Corey here?

Just give us an overview of what types of genetic programs were you aware of being conducted in underground bases.

Emery: Okay. Sure. Some of the genetic programs that I was aware of while I was there was the hybridization of humans and other life. And it could be animals, mammals, insects, plant life, all sorts of things like that, and trying to see where the consciousness goes with that with the two different types of material.

And they were very successful. And they've been doing this overseas for a very long time.

And we started pretty late here in the United States, but now we are the leader of that. But not United States, I'm saying the labs here, because when I say the labs are all the same, it's just the newest ones are here.

Corey: Well, actually, this has been going on by us, maybe not in our territory, much longer. For instance, there is what they described as on paper was an NBC based – Nuclear Biological Chemical testing base – in Mexico, owned by the United States.

It's in the area they call the Zone of Silence.

And it turns out that this NBC base is actually . . . it's actually been a genetic experiment type base. And it's been going on for QUITE a while, much longer than what we've been working on in the States.

Emery: Exactly. Yeah. Definitely. I agree with that 100%.

Right now . . . So the experiments that are going [on] down there are also cloning of many different types of species, including humans, and the making of clones and program life forms, which could be any type of life form that they grow there, and that is infused with a type of consciousness or infused with a type of circuitry on a nano level for complete mind control.

Corey: And they can also use them as avatars. They can push the consciousness of a soldier in using an electromagnetic field that pushes . . . but the avatar has to be genetically compatible with the frequency . . . with the frequency of their body's genetics for them to be able to use.

Emery: Yes. Similar to the movie “Avatar” where you see that. That's a very realistic rendition of some of the things that they're experimenting with right now.

Corey: Yeah. That's been going on a while.

Emery: And they can . . . You know, you could do many jumps like that as well into different bodies. It's a very high-tech, highly classified place that they do this in.

I've only . . . I only know of maybe two places, two specialty labs, that are involved with that. And there might be, of course, more.

Corey: Yeah. What was interesting is on the research vessel I was on, they were using this type of technology to transfer scientists and operators from their bodies there on the ship . . . to pass them on to these avatar-type bodies that were off in ships in other star systems.

Emery: Absolutely. This is SO true. I'm so glad you brought this up. I probably would never have talked about it.

And what I have witnessed is them doing that here and then putting it into a body like in New Zealand or Australia.

Corey: Right.

Emery: And so we're talking like Bluetooth gone wild here of taking someone's consciousness and like shooting it actually through the Earth to this other part of the planet and infusing . . .

David: And if that body gets injured, do you feel the pain with your own body?

Corey: Yes.

Emery: Oh, absolutely.

Corey: And they're broadcasting their consciousness through the Cosmic Web – the same portal system that they use for travel.

David: Hm! Are you aware of your physical body, or . . .

Emery: Yes.

Corey: It's just like . . .

David: It's like bilocation?

Emery: It's just no different than if you were to be in my body,. You would know everything about me as far as the physical everything. And if I was in you, I would be . . .

David: No, I guess what I'm saying is: if you're in a chair and you're in an avatar somewhere else . . .

Corey: You don't have a bilocal . . .

David: Are you aware of the chair?

Emery: Oh, no. It's not bilocal.

Corey: No.

Emery: Yeah.

David: Oh, okay.

Emery: This is just complete . . . You know, your transformation of consciousness goes from this body to a totally different body. So this body [original source body] now is just a cold slate. It's just sitting here.

It could be put in suspended animation. I've seen that done.

A lot of times these jumpers – we call them “jumpers” - that do this all the time, actually they might just dispose of that body and keep going. And that messes things up, by the way.

Corey: It does. There's a type of portal that works that way. They call it the Xerox room, where people go in and an exact duplicate is sent at another location. It's created.

Emery: Oh, bilocating.

Corey: And as a part of the process, this one [original body] is destroyed.

Emery: Right.

Corey: There's like . . . After they say, “Yes, they have arrived safely at this location”, a signal goes back that automatically vaporizes the being on this side.

Emery: Right. Wow! That's pretty intense.

I know that by killing the body that you left on an astral, spiritual and conscious level, you're not . . . you're separated from your old body, but you still have these harmonics and frequencies of that body still in that body. So there's a piece of you still there.

Corey: It's also like making many copies of the same file. You start to loose . . . there's degradation that occurs.

Emery: Yes. Exactly. And that's the same thing that happens in growing cells and regeneration. You keep losing . . . When you're doing it in a Petri dish compared to someone's body, you always lose a little bit of that cellular integrity.

David: Sometimes I think, Emery, pop culture references, like in popular movies, can become almost ingrained belief systems.

Emery: Sure.

David: It could be very hard to unwind. And I remember when I watched “The Matrix”, it didn't sit right with me.

I know they were trying to create jeopardy, but you remember the scene where Keanu goes, “If you die in The Matrix, do you die here?”

Emery: Right.

David: and then Morpheus goes, “the body cannot live without the mind”.

Emery: Right.

David: And I'm like thinking, “Wait a minute”. If you die in The Matrix, that's just your electronic form. Your body is still in the chair. So . . .

Corey: Well, it goes back to also . . . what is it? What the mind perceives, the body believes?

Emery: Right.

David: Uh-huh.

Corey: Like when the mind believes it has died, the body goes through a process.

David: Really?

Corey: Yeah.

Emery: Right. You have to have a really strong mind to be part of these projects. And they go through very strict special diets with neurotropic enhancers, and they have to be really physically fit to do this.

And so there are a lot of variables in being one of these people, but the mind, like you said, makes it real.

And so it's more of a belief system and a connection system that you have with your astral and all the light bodies that you could mention.

It's about having a good connection with that and being able to tell what's real and what's not real, because there are some people that never come back because they forget, and they get trapped . . .

David: Wow!

Emery: . . . in these states of programs and these other states of . . . it might go wrong. And they just might end up walking away and forgetting where they really came from and start a new life somewhere.

Corey: It makes you wonder if something like that happens through reincarnation.

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: It does.

David: It's almost like they hijacked the reincarnation system in a sense by doing this.

Emery: Yes. Yes.

David: All right. Let's talk a little bit about cloning again.

One of the things that immediately pops up in my mind is: if they need workers underground, and you say there's this cloning program, then how many workers might actually be clones when you get into these vast underground cities?

Emery: It's cheaper to hire someone from the surface.

David: Oh, it's cheaper?

Corey: You want . . . Clones are good for certain things, but you need actual experience.

Like, you know, a clone hasn't picked something up and set it down a 1,000 times in its lifetime. It hasn't gone through hurting itself and all the different things that we go through to learn experience.

And also, a lot of the . . . I told you once that when we were brought to a facility on Mars that some of the equipment that was delivered with us, . . . four guys came out, looked identical to their selves. In their eyes, there was . . . They were almost like automatons. There was no real warmth or life in their eyes.

They came and they picked up the equipment and off they went in lockstep with each other.

So this type of cloning is done and used in many different programs, but the usefulness of a clone is limited.

You want to have a person with experience that has . . . especially a scientist. You don't just want to clone a scientist. You want a scientist that's gone through the schooling, has been through all of the testing, the failures, the successes to make them who they are.

David: How does this equate with what you have seen?

Emery: Yeah. Absolutely. Clones go through a progressive education enhancement program. And what that does is . . . you know, you DO have to teach them.

You can only program them for so much, but they need to have just regular quirks about them. They have to socialize.

Corey: You can program how to tie a shoe in their head, but until they get the muscle memory down from doing it over and over, it's disconnected.

Emery: Right. So if you're really sending this clone out to . . . I mean, you want to know about it . . . you're sending it to the surface. It's going to go through some serious training way before all that happens.

But, yeah, I agree with what Corey said. And I've seen . . . It sounds more like programmed life forms to me, because of the eyes.

Corey: Yeah. I mean, many programmed life forms are clones.

Emery: Right.

Corey: That's just the level at which they are programmed.

Emery: Right. I'm talking . . . When I say the word “PLF”, though, in a definition, I'm talking about something that was grown, that's kind of organic and cybernetic.

Corey: Right. Gotcha.

Emery: So I know you have a different definition. I definitely believe so. But that's what I mean when I say “PLF”.

And then there's the clones, which can be programmed, like you said, exactly like you said. And they can do all these other things, but they're completely organic. There's only . . . Except for if they have circuitry or nanoparticles in them that are for whatever, that could be made of metal or whatnot.

Corey: Yeah. I've seen some weird stuff that they put in them. It looks like fiber optics with two different pieces that they put up in their heads in surgeries.

Emery: Sure. Interesting. Yeah. I've seen similar pieces of equipment, I'll say, kind of embedded into the bodies like this with a couple hoses and wires and stuff, but don't think of the cheap hoses and wires – very bioluminescent-type stuff that has definitely a specific function.

Corey: So an article came out just very recently that was talking about all of the military personnel and scientists that wear Fitbits, you know, the watches that monitor your health.

Emery: Oh, yes. Sure.

Corey: Well, they have GPS tagging with them. And it appears that no one turned off the GPS tagging when people were working in these Special Access Programs.

Emery: Right.

Corey: So recently the map was released of where all these little pings were coming from, and they were revealing secret bases.

One area was down close to the Ross Ice Shelf down in Antarctica, right in the area where I had been brought previously and saw an underground base system that was under the ice.

So have you heard of any of these places, such as Antarctica, having some bases?

Emery: Oh, definitely Antarctica has a base there and there's some crashed craft there. And there's an ancient civilization that they discovered there.

And they're building the story for that to release to us soon, in the next couple of years.

But first, they've got to get all their ducks in a row. And they have to, of course, go through this base and they also have to go through the crafts. They have to go through the ancient ruins that are there and put something together that's a good story that we're all going to believe.

Corey: Well, it's already starting to happen.

Emery: Yeah!

Corey: If you remember, months ago, not too long ago, that we had a university that stated, “We have geothermal pockets under the ice where there's life”.

There's flora, fauna. There's all types of genetic diversity occurring.

Emery: Right.

Corey: So we're getting little bitty drips here and there. So I think that we should keep an eye on what's going on in Antarctica for sure.

Emery: The biggest hotspot and the biggest thing everyone's talking about right now.

And I can also back you up as saying there are many of these . . . because using this backscattered radar technology that I was involved with, you can see large openings, large spheric openings in the Earth and the Earth's crust and even down near the mantle there, that are hosting their own atmosphere and pressure, life, and all sorts of things.

And now getting back to Antarctica, the great thing about Antarctica, as I told Dave before, is they're all like, “Well, when is that going to be . . . Who's going to be the one to come forward on Antarctica?”

And I said, “It's Gaia.” The Earth is slowly melting that away right now. And no human is going to have to come forward, because another year or two, that craft is going to be shown all the way . . .

Corey: We're helping the situation along because of the excavations we're doing with steam excavations.

What I was told is that the high-pressure steam, dropping of bags and hitting them with microwaves to clear out large areas, is causing major ice melt that's going underneath the ice shelf and further lubricating it and causing it to break apart at a much faster speed than it would have previously.

Emery: Right.

Corey: A lot of what's occurring is geothermic activity, because the base that I saw had a giant tower that was a geothermic generator.

Emery: Right.

David: All right. Well, that's really fascinating stuff. That's all the time we have in this episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”, with Emery Smith, Corey Goode, and me, your host, David Wilcock. Thanks for watching.

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Cosmic Disclosure: Cosmic Summit

David Wilcock: Welcome to another episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. And we have a special treat for you: two high-level insiders who have never before spoken in any public or really private forum in the way that we're going to right now.

We have Corey Goode and Emery Smith.

Emery, welcome to the show.

Emery Smith: Hey, Dave, thanks for having me again. Very exciting day.

David: And Corey, thanks for being here.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So we decided to start out this first episode by trying to find one of the areas where there might be common ground between the things that you've experienced, Emery, and the things that Corey's experienced. And so this gets into the topic of underground bases.

So just to start this off, I'm going to ask you some simple questions, and then we'll open it up from there.

Are you aware of either the military or the government, or whatever you want to call it, having underground facilities?

And if so, how extensive are they? How many of them are there? And what do you know about those facilities?

Emery: I'm aware of, in just the U.S. alone, about 300 of these facilities.

Now, when you say government, I want to, like, talk about that, because it's not always the government that owns these facilities.

They GUARD these facilities – the military does – but they don't always . . . are in control of the facilities, because they are owned by larger corporations and unknown organizations.

Corey: That have different oversight.

Emery: Exactly.

Corey: Right.

Emery: Right.

David: So when you say there's about 300 of these facilities that you're aware of . . .

Emery: Just in North America.

David: . . . what would be an average benchmark of what you are thinking that that means? What are those facilities? Of the 300, what would they be like?

How big are they? How many people do they hold?

Emery: Right, there's many different facilities with many different types of populations in them. And they all have a different agenda.

And there are some that are larger, like the ones in New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado, that actually house entire cities, and you never even have to go to the surface.

They also have full running hospitals and whatnot for this elite group.

As far as the laboratories and all the testing going on there with nuclear and other types of energies – because it's not all just medical, of course . . .

David: Right.

Emery: . . . but other things going down there, as Corey can also relate to of working on different types of devices, such as different types of vehicles, number one, space vehicles; also, the medical stuff I talked to you about in the last episodes, with all the storing of cloned bodies and whatnot.

So there are a lot of these facilities that house many different types of projects.

And then there are some that are only for specific types of projects, because it's so compartmentalized, they'll make a whole underground base just for one project.

David: Wow!

Emery: And they'll keep that with the population usually under about 200 people so they can control them.

Corey: So Emery, I know you probably can't tell us the names of the bases that you went to or where they were located, maybe some, but can you tell us the number and how they were different, as well as what it was like going into the bases?

Emery: Yeah, sure. Basically, there's around 300 of these bases in the United States that I'm aware of.

Some of the ones I've been to are in El Paso, Texas, under UTEP.

Of course, everyone knows about the one I've been in in Los Alamos and Kirtland Air Force Base.

Another one would be in Charlottesville, Virginia. There's another one in Denver. Of course, Dulce [New Mexico] you know about. And there's one in White Sands [New Mexico] – under White Sands National Monument.

Also [there's one] in Creststone [Colorado], underneath the sand dunes, which they're trying to now expand that.

David: What about in Canada? Are you familiar with any up there?

Emery: In British Columbia and also near Whidbey Island, off of Washington there.

Corey: When you approach these bases, or these underground facilities, the entrance to them, are they nondescript? Or are they something that . . .

Emery: Yeah, 95% of them are nondescript but also guarded or usually near a base or on a base for the entry points.

Now, there are a few that are out there that actually are not guarded, but they're in such remote desolate areas that . . . I mean, they're guarded, but they're not . . . it's not . . .

Corey: With technology.

Emery: It's not on a base. Right, with technology and satellites.

Corey: They're monitored.

Emery: And completely monitored, exactly.

So I think most of them, to answer your question, would be: you'd have to enter a really secured lab or a really secured corporation or a really secured military installation to access the underground.

Corey: So could you take us through what would be typical if you were to go through?

Emery: Right, absolutely. Depending on where your entry point is and depending on the type of base it is, some of the most common ones, like the one I was stationed at with Kirtland Air Force Base, was basically a fire tower that you would never even think would be the access point.

David: Mm-mm.

Emery: And a fire tower, meaning it's a concrete base, not made out of metal. So I want you to think of a small 30' x 30' building, concrete, that goes up about six floors – straight up – but it's there as a fire observation point, which, of course, never is utilized for that.

And these areas, too, they don't have, like, parking lots in front of them or anything like that. You usually have to walk through many different posts.

But since this was already on the base, inside another base that's there . . . so you're going through two different types of security.

So first you have to get on the military base, number one. And then once you do that, there's another even more secure base on there with the fences and their own security teams. They're not military.

And these are private corporations that I spoke of that are running these things.

So one of the things I was speaking to Dave about one time was my dorm was so close to there I would actually ride my bicycle to this place after work. And I was allowed to put my bicycle near the area and then walk over. And this is just an area that people that on base worked there could walk to it.

So there's many different places to go in, but for us, since it's more convenient since we live on the base, for many scientists.

David: What would happen if somebody started to notice an unusual number of people going into a fire tower like if you were on the base and it wasn't your job?

Emery: Yeah.

David: What would happen then?

Emery: Well, that whole place is monitored, number one, and you're already on a base. And the base already knows there's something . . . You know, THEY already know there's something there.

They don't know the extent of it, though. The military doesn't always know the extent of how large these underground bases are, which you [Corey] could probably attest to.

Corey: Do they typically bring you through and scan your body? Do all these . . . I mean, what other types of security measures do they take?

Emery: Sure. So once you get there, like I did, there was actually a bike rack there that I'd put my bike up. And I'd walk right over, and there's just two doors.

You walk in, and just like you would walk into a hospital to check in somewhere, they take your driver's license and all that stuff.

So there's two security guards there, and you walk in.

And they either recognize you, or they don't recognize you. And you do have three different types of security things you have to do before you go in.

You have a card, number one, and it's very generic. It's nothing special. It doesn't have any . . .

Corey: Just a strip?

Emery: . . . holograms or anything in it. Right, it's just a strip . . . a magnetic strip, like you see on a credit card. So it's nothing special at all.

Then you have, of course, your palm print identification and your iris eye scan, like the old stuff you see in the movies – very similar to that.

So once you go through that and get through all that, then you take the elevator down.

Once you get to the bottom . . .

Corey: Where they weigh you while you're on the elevator going down.

Emery: That's right. The elevator is not a regular elevator. It looks like a regular elevator, but the elevator is actually scanning you to see if you have any type of, let's say, plutonium on you or anything that could be a threat.

So this elevator's doing a body scan on you as you're going down.

David: Wow!

Emery: Yeah. So you cannot smuggle something in, in your orifices. You could not come in there with a bomb or a grenade or a handgun or anything like that.

David: Is it also like an X-ray, MRI kind of thing, where it would . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: Okay, I thought so.

Emery: It's a little different like that. It's not radioactive causing, where . . . of course, they wouldn't do that to you.

David: Right.

Emery: We do wear these special, of course, X-ray badges the whole time we're in there, because it monitors how much radiation you have.

Corey: You're exposed to.

Emery: Right. And it's not always just from the X-rays. It could be other projects in there that are using stuff that it is emanating at a safe level. But they have to monitor you the whole time.

Corey: Do they keep a running tally of any exposure you had to radiation . . .

Emery: Absolutely.

Corey: . . . accumulation?

Emery: Everyone's monitored for gas and radiation and specific light wavelengths, actually, that could cause damage to the body.

So those are the three things they are monitoring all the time.

David: Okay, so, Corey, since you've also had experience with underground bases, at this point, is there anything funny that jumps out at you – anything that he said that was familiar or unfamiliar?

Corey: Oh, yeah, absolutely familiar. And like he said, there's different types of bases.

Some of the bases are . . . you cannot access them from the ground whatsoever. You have to go through the tram system, the secret tram system underground.

Emery: Yeah.

Corey: And the only entrance and exit is through that tram system.

David: Right.

Corey: And often, they will be very deep, as I've said before. At a certain depth, you're no longer considered in United States territory.

David: Um.

Corey: And so you then have free rein.

Emery: Absolutely, yeah.

David: Have you seen . . .

Emery: And I was getting to that, because once you get down there, you have to take the tram.

And many of them have different types of maglev and lavatube devices to get you there.

Corey: I don't think we've had someone that could give a good description of the tram. I know they have short ones for people that you sit in and you're facing each other.

Emery: Right.

Corey: And then they have the larger ones. Can you give a description?

Emery: Yeah, sure. I spoke about this in the past. And one of the ones is kind of like a, as Dave and I call it, like a gondola.

So when you get down there, there's a chair you sit in, and it goes down a very, very long hallway.

And it just keeps going around and around and around. It's very slow, as fast as . . . a little bit faster than you'd see at the airport when you stand on those . . . the standing conveyor belts.

Corey: Right.

Emery: So just a little bit faster than that. And you're sitting down, or you can stand up. You don't have to sit down.

And that takes you to the actual main entrance of the underground base, and it could be as long as a quarter mile.

Now, they also have the actual tube system, which is a pod, and it holds up to four people.

And it's in the shape of a cylinder egg.

And you get in that one, and it has really nice chairs in it, actually, kind of like the reclining ones you would see on a dentist table, but really padded.

And you can actually wear a seat belt in these things, but you don't need to. You don't even know you're going because it's so fluid, and it gets up to such a high speed.

And I don't know how fast that is, but I heard some of these can go over 500 miles per hour.

Corey: Yeah, I was hearing over 700.

Emery: Yeah. So once you get there, whether you're taking the chair, the gondola, or you're taking these maglev tubes – the egg thing – once you get there, then you have to still go through another security checkpoint.

Corey: Because you could be in another country for all you know.

Emery: Right. Or another planet.

Corey: Right. Exactly. I was actually talking about that recently, about how . . . Recently, when I was brought up to the Lunar Operation Command, I was brought into a room for a briefing, and there was a window.

And I looked out the window, and I saw Mars.

Emery: Ha, ha. Yes.

Corey: And I was told that a lot of times, people will take these trams. And much like I took a tram, and it ended up on another planet . . .

Emery: Yes.

Corey: . . . back when I was much younger, and you can't really tell.

Emery: Right.

Corey: You know.

Emery: You don't . . .

Corey: You can't really tell.

Emery: It's not like a . . . You don't go into some hyperjump, or you're even aware of it. It's that fluid when you do these kinds of portal jumps, I'll say. It's in seconds.

Corey: And they play games with the people when you get there. You'll see windows that make it look like you're on Earth somewhere or on Mars.

Emery: Right. Yeah, we talked about this. Absolutely.

Corey: And they were doing that on the Moon when I was in there, and they said, “Ah!”, and they flipped it over to a moonscape when they saw me staring at Mars kind of confused.

David: Let me also just say for the record that Bob Dean, Pete Peterson, Jacob and Henry Deacon have all reported on this phenomenon of sub-shuttle systems where you get transported somewhere else, and you don't even realize it.

You're just riding in the thing, and you go somewhere else.

So this is a consistent element of insider testimony that I've heard.

Corey: Yeah, they could take a scientist, put him in one of the underground trams. They could end up at another facility, and it could be on the Moon.

David: Right.

Corey: And they could . . . And the facilities on the Moon . . . it looks just like Earth facilities.

David: Right.

Corey: And then walk them around. Let them see out the window – see the Grand Canyon or something – and the people totally believe that they're at a location on Earth.

Emery: It also helps with the psyche, if you're living underground for a very long time, to have these views and . . .

Corey: Yeah, trees and plants.

Emery: . . . to have the organic state material, with gardens inside these things.

Corey: Full spectrum lighting.

Emery: Full-spectrum lighting, and the things that we normally have here outside they try to replicate inside. And it seems to lower the stress levels of the scientists and the technicians that are working there.

David: Yeah, let's go with that, because one of the things that Pete Peterson reported to me was this idea that you might have a very large dome underground in which there is a city, with buildings and roads and trees.

Emery: Right.

David: And it really . . . And they even have the dome lit so it looks like the sky.

Emery: Yeah, the dome is really cool.

Corey: And they do starlight. They do stars at night.

Emery: They do. And you have your own 24-hour, like you said – the day and night situations. They can make it look like a hurricane's coming,too, with clouds and all sorts of amazing sci-fi effects that are very realistic, as far as the lighting goes, and the way it makes you feel like you're looking into infinity.

Corey: I'm curious. Were any of these bases that you went to . . . were they in national parks?

Emery: Yes. Yeah.

Corey: Interesting. We've heard tale, and you and I have seen doors that will just open up out of the side of a mountain.

Emery: Right.

Corey: And they can completely . . . you could never tell that there is anything there. You could go there with a . . . do sonic tests. You would never know that there's a door there.

Emery: You can't even find it with a metal detector.

Corey: Right.

Emery: And this is like a giant rock, like you just said, will open up. And it's completely sealed and pressurized, out of the side of a mountain.

And we were talking about this earlier, Corey. Even in the desert, . . . Like, I always remember watching the desert open up, like you said, which you can explain.

Corey: Right. Like a zipper.

Emery: Like a zipper.

Corey: The ground.

Emery: And then the sand starts falling in. And I'm always like, man, who's cleaning up all that sand?

Corey: Right.

Emery: But they have a special thing that . . .

Corey: Yeah, it drains sort of those . . .

Emery: Just collects it right out and shoots it back out over the . . . once the door shuts, shoots it back on top of that.

Another type of base that I don't get into too much, you know, up in the North Pole in the polar ice caps – there's bases in polar ice caps . . .

Corey: Mh-hm.

Emery: And they are magnificently beautiful, number one. And they somehow have their own atmosphere in there, . . .

Corey: Yeah.

Emery: . . . with perfect running water and their own, I'll say, their own electricity they make using the Earth, because they're already very, very deep.

Corey: Is that like geothermal?

Emery: Yes.

Corey: Right.

Emery: Yep.

Corey: Are these . . . And some of them also use the thorium-type reactors.

Emery: THORIUM – absolutely.

Corey: Yeah, so . . .

David: I've heard a lot about thorium.

Emery: That's a big one. Thorium's amazing, yeah.

David: It's basically a non-radioactive fusion system.

Emery: Right.

Corey: Well, what's interesting is that in a lot of my presentations I've been showing footage from Project Iceworm.

It was a project by the Army Corps of Engineers in I think it was the late '50s, early '60s, in Greenland. They went in, and they set up one of these bases.

And basically, the same type of building was done down in Antarctica as well. And planes would come and land and provide them the supplies.

But this is also how they've build a lot of off-world bases . . .

Emery: Right.

Corey: . . . this same method. But Project Iceworm was very interesting because later on, the United States tried to smuggle some nuclear weapons there, and the plane crashed.

And everyone found out about this huge base that was secretly built.

David: Just so you guys are aware of this, one of the things that Pete Peterson told me was that the “World Book Encyclopedia” in 1953, I think was the year, that the military-industrial complex sent people all over libraries to rip out this one page because it had something in there talking about how thorium could be a reaction that would produce almost no radiation.

And he said that if we started to use this, that we would have this incredible breakthrough in technology.

So what do you guys know about thorium as it relates to our discussion?

Corey: Well, I know that in the programs, the craft, research vessel, I was assigned to, originally it was nuclear. And then they replaced it with a thorium based.

And then they replaced it with some sort of an electromagnetic engine that had these long tubes that they would put something in that they called “minnow baskets” that would spin.

And if you move it up and down, you get a little bit of play in the electromagnetics.

Emery: Right.

Corey: And I think it's some sort of electromagnetic friction that's going around. And these leads are picking up the energy and shooting it wirelessly through the tubes, which then go directly to these huge capacitors.

Emery: Right. Yeah, a lot of capacitors are used in these bases to hold the energy.

I'm not an expert at thorium, but I was recently on a project where a private organization – a private corporation – hired me to . . . They sent out people all over the United States – a scientific team – to find the LARGEST deposit of thorium here in the United States.

And I know exactly where that's at. And that is also in New Mexico. I'm not going to tell you the city it's located near, but I'll tell you it's in New Mexico.

And there's an unlimited amount of thorium there that could power all the planets, and all the bases, and, of course, us right here indefinitely – INDEFINITELY - I mean with the amount of energy we already currently use.

David: So why do you think, Emery, there would be a base in a national park? What would be the advantage to that?

Emery: Oh, the advantage of that is, number one, it's completely monitored all the time. You always have park rangers around.

So it's like you have your own little civilian operatives out there.

And, of course, they're just cluttered with satellites and stuff that are watching them – watching the area, I mean.

So these areas also sometimes have a great usage to them because they're near maybe a underground thermal or something.

Corey: Right.

Emery: And they're harvesting this energy. Or maybe it has a huge crystalline formation under some of these parks and stuff.

So the parks, even in early days, were actually picked out to hide military bases.

Corey: Yeah, what's interesting is Clifford Mahooty, when we had him here talking, said that reservations – Indian reservations – and these bases and national parks have the same classification with the government.

Emery: Yes. And that's what I'm saying, because it's limited traffic, or it's controlled traffic.

Even on the reservations, like, . . . You're not even allowed to go on a reservation, you understand, unless you have special passes and whatnot with the chiefs.

And what happens is that's the perfect ideal place that's never going to have a lot of traffic or a lot of investigation, because we're using an area that we already gave to the American Indians.

Corey: Right. It was interesting. I read a report that a lot of the groups of park rangers were actually intelligence.

They were former military and intelligence, because in a lot of these national parks where people “go missing”, they end up finding the missing people.

And sometimes they had been worked on by non-terrestrials, and they needed to keep it quiet, . . .

Emery: Sure.

Corey: . . . so they had the park rangers smooth everything over.

Emery: Yeah, I can attest and agree to that 100%, that they're using a show of force, or let's just say a security detail, that is not what you would think of someone just graduating college and taking up a job.

These people are 20-year-plus veterans either in the projects or in the military, as you said. And they're very overqualified, but they get paid really well.

David: So one thing I'd like to follow up on, Emery, is you mentioned bases under the ice.

Emery: Yeah.

David: And I would assume this also would include bases in the ocean.

Emery: Yes.

David: There's this very strange movie that came out 2009 called “G.I. Joe”, which is military, but all the stuff that we're talking about is in that movie all over the place.

What do you feel about the movie “G.I. Joe”? And did you have any . . .

Emery: I do recall seeing that. I don't remember it too well, but I do recall seeing it and connecting the dots, we'll say.

And I think there was a lot to it at the time. I remember watching it and saying, “Wow! Here they are just coming blatantly out.”

David: Because it's so . . .

Emery: . . . and showing . . .

David: They're doing these beautiful visuals in the movie with computer animation.

Corey: Oh, yeah, well, especially the second one when they did the Rods from God attacks . . .

David: Oh, that was crazy.

Corey: . . . on the Earth when that's exactly what we're looking at in the North Korea thing.

Emery: Right. Right. Interesting. I didn't see the second one.

David: They're telephone-pole-sized pieces of tungsten that you can drop onto the Earth, and just gravity causes a very, very severe explosion that can devastate a huge amount of space.

Emery: Oh, yes. Yeah.

David: And he had talked about that. And I only watched the second “G.I. Joe” film recently, and I couldn't believe that it was in there.

Emery: Wow! Yeah, that's pretty amazing for them to blatantly come out and expose that classified information, but we do start to see that now all the time with the movies are giving tidbits.

There's the Alliance and other white hats that get to throw a couple of messages in there for those who are paying attention . . .

David: Right.

Emery: . . . and talk about it. So I think it's a great thing.

David: So another thing I'd want to bring up now is: when I spoke to Bob Dean, retired Major Bob Dean, he actually told me a lot more than he ever said publicly with Project Camelot or anyone else about what he really had been involved in.

It's very similar to what Corey's done.

And one of the things he talked about was an island in the South Pacific that looks like an island if you fly over it, but if you get really close, half of the island is some kind of hologram, and it's camouflaged.

And you can go through that hologram, and then you find out there's a whole base there . . .

Emery: Yeah.

David: . . . that you can't see from the sky. Are you familiar with anything like that?

Emery: There's lots of that.

Corey: Yeah, lots of that technology – the masking technology with holograms.

Emery: Lots of it.

Corey: They've even developed holograms to a point to where they have mass.

Emery: Right.

Corey: Or they call them “hard light”, to where they can . . .

Emery: You can cast a shadow.

Corey: Yeah, you can do a hologram, and you can walk up and “tink, tink, tink,” like a piece of glass.

Or even they can make it even thicker in depth.

David: Wow!

Emery: Yeah, I totally can attest to that as well, and I was part of . . . not part of that, but there was compartmentalized projects near me during that that were working on satellites that could do that, or they were putting that technology in satellites in the early '90s, and I think it was probably before that.

Corey: Yeah. What's crazy is they'll have a hard light panel. They remove the source of the power or electricity, and it stays.

Emery: Right.

Corey: I mean, it's incredible.

Emery: Yeah, they're using all sorts of cool technology. That's why I always say, you know, if I did see something, a craft or whatnot, an ET, it's hard for me to say, “Oh, that's real. or it's not real”, unless I actually was right in front of it and analyzing it, because they can make you really believe you saw a plane crash into a building.

Corey: Mm-hm.

Emery: They can make you really believe that's really something there. And you can get up to it, like Corey said, and it's palpable.

David: Really?

Emery: It is actually palpable. And the ones I've seen were not as palpable as yours were. You're like . . . Mine was just for a little bit, and then you could just easily go through it.

Corey: Right.

Emery: But that's just an amazing technology to begin with, because then you can basically make any type of threat – fake threat – or use it for horrible situations where you're trying to . . .

Corey: They're using it for building.

Emery: Yeah.

David: Would they create areas where, like, NOAA [National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration] would have a no-fly zone? So, like, you couldn't fly a passenger plane or an airliner over these areas?

Emery: Oh, that's right now. Right now they have it everywhere. There are certain places you can't . . . no-fly zones.

And that's a great way to also investigate when you're trying to find places.

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: And you're like, “Well, why is it way over here? This is a no-fly zone.”

David: But, like, if you have a little Cessna, what would happen if you tried to go towards one of these zones, let's say.

Emery: You immediately would be escorted out by some F-16s . . .

Corey: Yes.

Emery: . . . or F-15s or whatnot.

David: Okay, it seems pretty strange that they could have this hard-light technology or a hologram cloaking something.

Somebody at some point is going to find it. Somebody's going to be sailing in a little skiff . . .

Emery: They have.

David: . . . on the ocean or something. So what would happen in those situations?

Emery: They have, and they were terminated.

David: Really?

Emery: Missing at sea. Or even in military operations, sometimes THEY accidentally stumble.

Corey: Training operation.

Emery: Right, and they're not supposed to be there, but they are. And they are usually terminated.

Corey: “Dead in a training operation” or something.

Emery: Yeah, they were, like you just said, . . . People that work at these bases, too, their families don't know that they're going to a base to work for three months.

They're just saying, “I can't contact you for three months because I'm going on a mission.”

So when they do die, and they tell the family, “Oh, they died in action or on a training mission”, it's completely false. It's completely fake.

And they'll never know, because the best people to hire are military people that are active duty, because they're very expendable.

David: What other methods do they have to protect the base from people showing up so that they don't actually have to kill people? What are some of the other methods?

Because I would hope they don't always do fatalities.

Corey: You know, they'll do things like put out signs stating that there's radiation, that this was a testing zone for nuclear weapons and try to deter you that way.

Emery: Well, they have many things in place to deter you from going there, but sometimes it just happens.

You know, you can't have a sign every 50 feet and when you're 100 nautical miles out with this island and stuff.

But there are boats that are always . . . and aircraft that are always patrolling those areas.

And the satellites that are assigned to these bases, they're always there. And a fleet can't even get in there without them knowing that there's something in the airspace.

David: Wow!

Emery: You could not fly under radar to these places. You WILL be caught. You WILL be found.

David: Do you think there are certain cases where people would be brought into the base and become employees or maybe unwillingly become employees instead of just being shot?

Emery: I'm not aware of that.

Corey: I am, unfortunately.

Emery: Yeah?

Corey: Yeah. There have been, for the biometric testing and stuff, they'll take people.

Emery: Oh, for testing. Right.

Corey: Yeah.

Emery: Yeah, I've seen them get kidnapped.

David: Hm.

Emery: And people were there against their will, but not to be working for someone. I've never seen that. But, absolutely, what Corey just said is unfortunately true.

Corey: Did you ever hear of any security measures to protect against “psychic spying” or remote viewing?

Emery: Absolutely. All the bases have dedicated remote viewers on board.

And don't forget, remote viewers don't have to be on the base.

Corey: Right.

Emery: They could be far away and still protecting the bases.

And you get two good remote viewers – and that's one of my specialties that I actually get paid for - . . . is you have a remote viewer, let's say, that's 90% effective.

And then you get another remote viewer that's, like, 90% effective. And they both come up with the exact same thing.

So you only need a few of those guys on board to check out surveillance.

Now, they do have people that are advanced remote viewers that are using . . .

Corey: Remote influencers.

Emery: Right. Say it again.

Corey: Remote influencers.

Emery: Right, remote influencers that also use consciousness-assisted technology and electronics that they hook up to.

Corey: Have you seen some of the . . .

Emery: Yes.

Corey: There's either a pole or a plate that they put their palms on.

Emery: Two gold plates or . . .

Corey: Well, one is copper, and one looks like it's a stainless looking steel. And it's hooked up to wires. And they'll sit there, and it enhances their ability.

The remote viewers that try to view military bases, they'll begin to see a view of the base, and then all of a sudden, their thoughts are scattered.

And what they were being called in the smart-glass pads, which is an awkward way to label them, but they called them, “Those that Scatter”, because they were scattering the thoughts of anyone coming in.

And they were also sending energetic feedback through the connection and giving people what they called “ethereal headaches”, which for days you have a huge headache. And I'm sure you know what that's . . .

Emery: Oh, yes.

Corey: . . . what those are.

David: All right. Well, that's very amazing stuff, and that's all the time we have in this episode with Emery Smith, Corey Goode and myself. We'll see you next time. Thanks for watching.







Cosmic Disclosure: Viewer Questions 13: A New Future For Humanity

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. I'm here with Corey Goode, and we have had so many conversations and questions that have arisen on Corey's fascinating update that we've covered in previous episodes that we decided to just answer your questions in one episode because there's so many of them.

Well, Corey, welcome back to the show.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: The first question is:

“Could you please clarify the advantages and disadvantages of having our Solar System's Outer Barrier removed? Does this mean, for example, that beings like the Dracos could now just come and go as freely as they choose?”

Corey: Yes, it was communicated to me that with the Barrier down now the Portal System was completely open, that beings can come and go through the Portal System, but that that is extremely monitored, heavily monitored.

They can tell by the electrical feedback of a jump from one place to another, how many hops you took, how many connections you hit, before you ended up at your final location. And they can track you down.

They said that whoever DOES escape through the Portal System will be on the run for the rest of their lives because there are no real safe havens around anymore for the negative groups.

David: Now you've mentioned before the Draco kind of have a big enclave in our Solar System, so is this a major defeat for them once this Solar Flash takes place if they're trapped in here?

Corey: Well, before the Solar Flash, they're ALL going to go like into a stasis or one of these temporal bubbles where they hide out until after this energy passes through our Solar System for over a thousand years. And then they plan on coming back out and reasserting their authority.

But it is going to be OUR duty to go down and root them out once this Solar Flash occurs.

David: Okay. So the next question we have is, someone said:

“Sigmund says to you, 'Intuitive empath, my ass'.” And the person said, “I think he was implying that you are not an intuitive empath. Could you explain exactly what he was thinking from that statement?”

Corey: Yeah, he was definitely implying that my intuitive hit was incorrect.

David: So did he have some implicit assumption that intuitive empaths should be this amazing psychic who's always right?

Corey: Yes. He was basically under the impression, “You're supposed to be psychic. You should know everything.”

David: Right.

Corey: You know, there's a reason they'll use three of us in a situation to triangulate. It's because none of us, even when we're enhanced with these serums, are 100% accurate.

David: Right. Next question we have says:

“Ultimately, the Draco are just pawns of this AI that is actually manipulating them. So if the AI is really responsible for all of this, and it still isn't being defeated when the Draco are defeated, then how do we know that we're not just going to become slaves of the AI?”

Corey: Well, part of this process is that when a series of Solar Flashes occur after the Sun comes out of what it's in now, Solar Minimum – which is about 11 years it stays in Solar Minimum – they expect when it pops out, it's going to do so in a spectacular fashion, that there are going to be a number . . .

And while it's in minimum, they expect some flashes as well. Some have already occurred.

And this series of Solar Flashes is going to be basically like an EMP to the Artificial Intelligence. All of the technology that it inhabits will be destroyed, and the AI signal will not be able to permeate our region of space because of this energy that is emanated from the Sun as feedback from the Cosmic Web.

David: How do we avoid being destroyed by the loss of our technology if that is to happen?

Corey: It will be a rough time. People will be . . . There will be a loss of life. There will be some bad things that occur, but that's going to be the point to where a lot of these breakaway civilizations that break positive for us, after all this happens, they're going to see that as an opportunity to bring down all of these advanced technologies to everyone on the planet at the same time and not just give it to a few elite countries and let it filter down to the rest.

David: So are there radiation-hardened technologies that will be able to withstand this Solar Flash and will still be operational after it happens?

Corey: They think that they have some of their technology shielded enough, but from what I've been told, no matter how far you go down in the Earth, it's going to penetrate.

David: But they do feel that they can release technology after this happens that we'll be able to use?

Corey: Yes.

David: Interesting. A similar question that occurs to me right now is:

“If the AI is essentially EMPed by, as you've said, the final of a series of Solar Flashes – it's the biggest one in 10 or 11 years from now – what prevents that AI from just immediately zipping back in on these photons that you say have the AI signal in them?”

Corey: After the thousand years, that signal will come back into our Solar System. We will just have a different type of technology developed out, and we will be aware of the AI threat, and we'll be able to mitigate it.

David: So it is, essentially, everywhere, but we're just like . . . It's like an immune system learning how to have antibodies to fight this.

Corey: Right. The AI signal's being broadcast from many different galaxies all around us. There's no hiding from it.

David: Next question is:

“William Tompkins urged us to get involved. How do you think we should get involved if we want to defeat the Draco and heal our society?”

Corey: It pretty much goes to each individual. Each individual has to do the personal work to make sure that they don't have karmic entanglements.

And we need to start focusing our intent, or our co-creative consciousness, on a positive outcome.

The more of us that do that, the easier it will be for us to attain a positive outcome.

And right now, we're seeing what Tear-Eir called the Great Awakening occur on our planet.

David: Well, “focus our intent” is sort of a general term. Could you maybe get a little more specific about what would “focusing our intent” look like?

Corey: It's just as simple as it sounds. Focus your intention and energy – thought energy – on a positive future for humanity and outcome.

The secret of their black magic is being able to drop some morbid details or ideas on us about a cataclysm or something that will happen.

They'll drop that into our consciousness and a lot of times what occurs is that we make it happen through our co-creative consciousness. We're manipulated.

David: So in a sense then, we have the power to steer this however we want.

Corey: We always have had the power. We've just been kept ignorant of it.

David: So why do the Draco then seem so compelling in what they're doing? If they're only doing what we allow them to do, why have they been so successful?

Corey: Because we've allowed them to do it. You know, we've given some sort of tacit agreement by not fighting it and by allowing ourselves to be manipulated.

David: If the Blue Avians said to you that we should get off of our knees, did they get more specific as to exactly what that means – that specific motif of standing up off of your knees?

Corey: Yeah. It means that we've been programmed as a species to be watching for someone or something to come and save us.

That is a part of the programming that keeps us ignorant of our co-creative abilities.

Once we realize our co-creative abilities, we realize we don't need a savior. We are the ones that we've been waiting for.

David: Very interesting. Okay, next question we have is:

“In order to really get rid of the Reptilians, do we have to wait for the Solar Flash to happen?”

Corey: Yes. To root out the last of them, yes, because that's when they're going to into their little stasis areas to hide out, and they won't be able to come out because of the energies. It's putrid to them. They can't handle it.

And it'll be like shooting fish in a barrel, I'm told.

David: Next question we have is someone said:

“I'm wondering to get a little bit of clarification on this. Humanity's cosmic family – this was your quote – 'humanity's cosmic family will come in and assist us in raising us to the next level of human evolution and growth.' So could you specify what is the cosmic family? What is the next level of growth?”

Corey: Well, the cosmic cousins are family. They are human beings almost exactly like us, just different types, that have already gone through this process.

And what is going to happen is that after the Super Federation is fully disbanded, they are going to bring these local 52 star cluster inhabitants, representatives, to that Super Federation facility to interact with us and help us be advisers, advise us through going through the rest of the process.

David: The question also mentioned genetic growth as well as spiritual growth.

“So how would humanity's cosmic family assist us genetically at that point?”

Corey: They assist us with the beginning of taking over our own genetic program.

What that entails, I don't know. But I received some information that after humanity finds out that there IS a genetic program going on and that we're a part of it, that we sort of rebel. We become extremely upset about it.

You know, we all think we're these beautiful sovereign beings. How do we then put that together with the fact that we're just lab mice to more advanced beings?

There's quite a cognitive dissonance issue that occurs. It's going to be a rough time.

David: Okay. The next question is:

“What is the nature of the classes that we are going through in dreams? Is this something akin to sitting in a class at school, or is it more symbolic in nature?

“How is this dream education exactly taking place?”

Corey: Well, from what I'm told, numbers of people are meeting in the same place etherically and are in classroom settings, to where at times, I've been used as an avatar to teach people – people that see me in their dreams in classroom environments all the time. That's been reported.

And I really have no memory. I always said they must be using me as an avatar, their higher self, or something like that.

But what I found out from the Blue Avians is that, indeed, we HAVE been doing a lot of this dreamwork with people and helping train people. It's a spiritual thing, a spiritual level.

David: So there are classes in some cases?

Corey: Right. Classroom environments is how people are perceiving this etheric event.

They're seeing . . . Their higher self is displaying it to them as them sitting in a classroom.

I really don't know exactly the setting etherically that is going on.

David: Well, I find it interesting, Corey, that in The Law of One, one of the most common terms they use for Ascension is “graduation”. And I've had myself many, many of these dreams about a graduation ceremony.

So do you think these graduation dreams could be part of the classroom ideas as well?

Corey: It could be, but the graduation that we're going to go through is a much bigger event. It's this Great Awakening.

David: Right. Okay, now we have a question about the galactic slave trade.

“With the fact that humanity has been traded off so extensively in this galactic slave trade, is the next big push in the battle of good versus evil going to be the war on slavery? And will those people that were extracted from here be returned to their homes?”

Corey: Yes. Now, we're already seeing a big war on human trafficking.

David: Right here on Earth.

Corey: On Earth.

David: Yeah.

Corey: Yeah, what occurs on Earth . . . There's a lot of human trafficking. It just really hasn't changed in the thousands of years that we think we've evolved. It's just as prevalent now.

But a good portion, over a million people a year, that are a part of this slave trade, are going off planet.

And as we've described, they're traded off for many, many different reasons.

What's been occurring for some time is that there have been operatives – SSP Alliance operatives – that have gone in, and I partook in this – I myself helped do this – they are tagging these victims as they're being sent off.

And at times, a number of them have been rescued and then brought to this planet that the Mayans control that is basically a healing planet, where they take people to heal. So that's already occurred.

What I'm told is that it's going to happen in mass. They're going to go, and they're going to find . . . I mean, there are going to be millions of people out there that were traded off that are going to be rescued and brought back to a planet for a number of years where they're going to be healed. All the trauma is healed.

And once they are to a certain point in their healing, they will be reintegrated with people on Earth.

But in the process, they will let people on Earth know that a loved one is in this program to be healed.

David: Okay, the next question is:

"You mentioned seeing a person on the LOC with a NASA badge, and this is not something we've heard before on 'Cosmic Disclosure' in any of your testimony.

"So could you please expound on the implications of seeing somebody in this, allegedly, simple program of NASA that's not supposedly involved in anything deeper?”

Corey: Recently, Emery and I were talking . . . and there is an Air Force space program and an astronaut school where they train astronauts. It's up by the Great Lakes somewhere.

And there are dozens of these astronauts, and they're the ones that serve on the Military-Industrial Complex space station and operate the triangle vehicles that service it.

David: Right.

Corey: So apparently they are allowed at LOC Bravo. And LOC Bravo is the only LOC that they know of.

They enter it from a totally different way, because we were . . . What we were told we couldn't discuss with the egghead-types, especially, where we had just come from – LOC Alpha.

David: Right. So Emery has mentioned this secret NASA. What do you think would be the size and the scope of the secret NASA as opposed to the public NASA?

Corey: Well, when I knew . . . I mean, it was a long time ago that I was briefed on that – over a decade ago; I mean, it's been a while – but there were only like a few dozen . . .

David: Oh, wow!

Corey: . . . astronauts in this program.

David: Okay. Now we have another question about that NASA:

“Has NASA's presence on the LOC been hidden from us because of exopolitical factors? Did the presence of NASA occur recently? Did the Cabal throw NASA a bone to let them feel better about what they're doing?” This kind of question.

Corey: Well, this is the military branch of NASA, not the public relations branch . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . that we know about.

This military branch of NASA, I believe, has been allowed access to the LOC Bravo for quite some time.

It's just that they don't know about the other LOCs. They think they're going to “the” LOC.

David: Interesting.

Corey: And just like how I was talking about LOC Alpha as “the” LOC because I didn't want to acknowledge the other two.

David: Do you think that this secret NASA knows about the MIC Secret Space Program?

Corey: They're a part of it.

David: Part of it. Okay.

Corey: Yeah, they're a part of it.

David: So it's just one of the divisions.

Corey: Right. And they even have a small base on Mars that they have access to.

David: And what would be the function of that base?

Corey: Research and development.

David: What are they researching?

Corey: Technology. They're building out technology to expand the human footprint in space, but they don't realize that it's already expanded.

David: Okay. So the next question:

“In an earlier episode, you mentioned going to the Mayan ship, and that there was a Reptilian being that was killing people there.

“How did this being end up being able to kill people? Was it using a technology, or was it some focus of its consciousness? How was it doing this?”

Corey: No, it's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. It was a silent, psychic war that was occurring. It was really weird.

What happened is that the Mayans had located this being somewhere in southern Africa in a city that they knew about.

And they had been monitoring, looking for this being, for a while.

They located it, and they used their technology to flash it out of the cavern city it was located at to their ship.

It appeared on the ship, and the Mayans were overconfident about their abilities, and they thought that they were going to be able to put this being immediately into stasis.

What happened is this being appeared, and they weren't able to handle it, and it used its extreme psychic abilities to kill . . . it was between five or seven of these Mayans.

And the tools that they were using – weapons – they were holding up like this [Corey acts like he's holding an ax weapon in front of him by grabbing the two sharp edges of the ax], and their eyes were just above this part [Corey peers over the center part of the ax weapon that goes down in the center] of what looked like an ax handle.

And they were kind of hunched over walking into the room like that, like it was a shield and a weapon at the same time.

Basically, the reason it happened is that the Mayans underestimated this being and how powerful it was.

David: The next question is:

“Have the ETs stopped upgrading our DNA now, or will the next big upgrade take place after the Solar Flash?”

Corey: They're still tinkering and winding down their various projects, but a lot of the genetic tinkering that's going on is going on by humans at the behest of the Draco.

So we still have . . . Through like flu vaccines and all kinds of other methods, they are using viruses as delivery systems to make genetic changes to humanity.

Apparently, before too long, we openly and overtly start taking over the management of our own genetics, and we go the designer route there for a while, apparently.

David: Okay. This next question kind of relates to a discussion that I had with Pete and gets into some confusion that we had, which is:

“Are the Anshar the same Tall Whites that Charles Hall reported interacting with in the Nevada Desert in the 1960s?”

Corey: I don't think so. The physical descriptions don't seem to match. The fact that in the military they call the Anshar – they have called them – the Tall Whites because they're tall, they have blond hair and very alabaster skin.

David: Right.

Corey: But just like they call a number of different beings “Greys”, - the same thing happened in Nordics; they call a bunch of different beings “Nordics” - they get lumped in.

The group that Charles Hall was interacting with seems to be a totally different group.

Now, I see the confusion because as they get older, they grow taller. But what I'm told is that 4th-density in higher beings . . . that this is fairly common. It's a common part of their life cycle.

David: These different growth cycles?

Corey: Right.

David: Yeah. So Pete was also just saying that the terms that they give these beings just relates to how they look.

Corey: Right.

David: It's very crude.

Corey: Right.

David: So you have Saurians, which would be Reptilians, that kind of thing.

Corey: Yes.

David: So a Tall White just means a tall being that's got white skin.

Corey: Right.

David: Okay. The next question is:

“Of all the different races that you saw among these 52 other witnesses, were they all familiar to you from before or were you seeing some that you had not seen before?”

Corey: No. There were a few that I had seen in the Intercept and Interrogation Program, but for the most part, other than Mica, they were new to me.

But species-wise, there were a number of them that had been caught up in the Intercept and Interrogation Program.

David: Of those 52 other people, each representing a race, how many of them do you think could just pass for a human from Earth without any difficulty?

Corey: Many, and many of them are here right now. These beings are a part of this Cosmic Peace Corps that I've discussed before.

They're here assisting humanity, and they blend into areas that are most like them ethnicity-wise. If a group looks more Asian, they're going to be inserted into the Asian region.

And they are studying us, building up a plan on how to help us. And each of these groups are studying different aspects of our civilization to know how to approach us with a program that will assist us.

David: When I had Law of One discussion forums, going back to '99 through 2003, thereabouts, a lot of people got confused about Ascension, where like there's a Rainbow Body ascension where your body completely transforms into light. And then there's this 4th-density activation that The Law of One talks about.

Do you think these were ascended beings, and if so, what type of ascension had they gone through?

Corey: Yes, they were all what we would consider 4th density, and they had gone through the same energetic change that we had that rearranges their physical molecules, but it's more of a consciousness shift.

Their consciousness was expanded to a point to where it'd be like going from a 2D world, you know, where everything is flat, to a 3-dimensional world where all of a sudden everything has depth.

We're going to go through that type of a consciousness shift to where 3D is going to seem like 2D to us.

And once that occurs, we start thinking in a different way and interacting in a different way. We understand how to control our co-creative consciousness and create whatever reality we want.

We're able to have control over matter.

David: But if they popped into 4th density fairly quickly, then you're not seeing them with larger eyes or skinnier faces or anything like this.

Corey: They don't look any different really than they did before they went through that change.

David: Interesting.

“Now that humanity is on the council, how often do they meet and who is humanity's representative?”

Corey: Well, humanity is humanity's representative. Now, this hasn't kicked in yet. They're not meeting yet. It's all being prepared and organized.

And the current Super Federation is going through the process of winding down their projects and curtailing them. So we're not having meetings yet.

David: When you say “all of humanity is humanity's representative”, does that imply that there will be some sort of governing aspect to it, that it's not just going to be one person making decisions?

Corey: No, it's not going to be one person. It will most likely be how it is now: a different person from each region rotating in periodically.

David: Representing a democratic vote for that region.

Corey: No. They'll be representing the entire Earth, but they'll have representatives from each region so that they know that everyone's being fully represented.

David: What do you mean by “region”, though?

Corey: Well, you know, like Asia, Africa . . . and within there, we have different countries, and people will rise up as ambassadors in each of those, and they will be rotated through the program.

David: And the way this is designed is intended for everyone to have a voice.

Corey: Right.

David: So those representatives will be pooling information about what their people want and what they're looking for and bringing that to the attention of this council.

Corey: Right. And just representing the entire globe but from their regional perspective. And that way we get the full perspective of every region in the management.

David: Okay, the next question would be . . . and this is a little bit of a confused question perhaps:

“Who currently is giving orders to Solar Warden, the SSP Alliance and the MIC SSP?”

Corey: Oh, it's very complicated. The SSP Alliance has its own council that makes decisions. Usually, they obey the council. Sometimes they don't.

A lot of the command and control of the Military-Industrial Complex SSP is technologically done from places like Eglin Air Force Base and MacDill.

But the decision-making is occurring at places like the DoD and the DIA within the DOD.

Now, the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate (ICC) controls the production of the technologies that go to all the different space programs.

But all the different space programs are headed by different organizations, all of which at one point were infiltrated and controlled by the Cabal.

David: What about Solar Warden?

Corey: Solar Warden is no longer called that. I'm trying to get the current operational name. It's had several, but it is also controlled through the DoD but on the Naval Intelligence side.

David: Well, I thought it was a breakaway civilization, though, so how would the DoD control any aspect of it?

Corey: The Solar Warden program was not a full breakaway civilization.

The full breakaway civilization is basically the ICC and the Nazi faction.

David: Oh.

Corey: They are completely broken away, and there is no . . . I mean, there is no command and control on the Earth at all.

The military organizations or programs have command and control on the planet. So, therefore, they could not be a fully brokeaway civilization.

David: Okay, the next question is kind of an interesting one.

“Who on Earth is the MAIN human interface for the Draco?”

Corey: There's not one main interface. There's an organization that, I've been told, does most of the interfacing with the Draco.

And it's the Council of 200, and they're made up of elite types, financial elite types, from all over the planet.

David: Now there is this idea that in the highest, highest levels of the secret societies, they have something called the Palladian Rite, where the goal is to become the GLOVE of the secret powers that run the Cabal.

So do you think that some of these guys are using the Palladian Rite and doing a telepathic interface sometimes with the Draco?

Corey: Well, the Draco are interfacing with people all the time just like the Anshar are.

David: Mm.

Corey: A lot of times they have . . . they'll do out-of-body experiences and go to people's homes and stuff like that.

The main body that has access to these Draco Royals is this Council of 200.

David: Next question we have is one you've tackled before, but it has come up again.

“Why can't we get any good pictures of ETs or UFOs from the work that you've been doing? And why wouldn't the Alliance be able to authorize the release of photos or video of things that they want us to know about at this point?”

Corey: Well, the Alliance is in negotiations, basically, with the Cabal, negotiating their surrender. So they're going to do everything according to this plan.

David: So would part of the plan involve them releasing videos and photos that are real at some point?

Corey: At SOME point, but at this time, it's really against the cosmic law. They're interacting with beings that are a part of this cosmic law, and they're not supposed to show us video or images of these beings.

People have given me a lot of problems, saying, “Why don't you take photos or whatever?” But, you know, even if I did deliver a photo or a video, people are going to say, “Well, that's just CGI. He did it on a computer.”

So photos, these days, are not the proof that most people claim.

David: Well, since this comes up so often, let me give you a paraphrase of something that's in The Law of One several times where they talk about the idea that their mission is to offer truth without proof. And they even make it rhyme.

And they say that their goal, their mission, is to seed mystery so that it incites a path of seeking.

Corey: Well, we're supposed to have a natural consciousness progression. These giant consciousness jumps are, I don't think, healthy.

I think that we're supposed to go through the process. And a part of that process is learning the truth, expanding our consciousness through these new truths.

It's a process that we're all supposed to go through.

David: The Law of One also says that the process of mystery that's not fully realized as fact creates the facility of will and faith.

Have they ever spoken to you about the importance of will and faith?

Corey: Well, yes. Will goes directly to co-creating and so does faith. They both are important components in co-creating with our co-creative consciousness.

David: So in a sense, this material is withheld from us to inspire our growth, to inspire us to reach out, to seek, to want to figure out how we could be more involved in this world that you're telling us about.

Corey: Yes, and to have a natural evolution, progression of evolution, consciousness-wise.

David: Okay. The next question is:

“Now that the genetic experiments are being wound down, how do we know that the people here on Earth who are the products of those experiments are not just going to be taken away from Earth and pawned off into other star systems for the experiments to continue elsewhere?”

Corey: Well, it'd be very difficult for them to do [that] with this blockade set up.

All of the genetics that are here on the planet are considered human property now.

All of the genetics here are ours to do what we wish with.

David: So it's not as if it would be possible as these Super Federation groups leave to take the humans that they tinkered with along with them and just seed them somewhere else. They would be blocked if they tried it.

Corey: Right. Now one thing that will happen is that the ones that are here incarnated, a lot of them may . . . we may perceive a large group of people dying, but it will just be these people going home, back home to their soul group.

You know, they were here as a part of the experiment, and now it's time for them to go back, so they vacate the bodies.

David: Well, and that could be part of what happens in the Solar Flash or flashes.

Corey: Could be.

David: Okay. The next question is:

“What can people in this community do to start prepping friends or family who have no idea about what is going on, and we're aware of these epic changes that are coming our way? How can we help to prepare people who might not have any knowledge of this yet?”

Corey: Well, this is the perfect time because we're going through what Tear-Eir stated was this Great Awakening.

Everyone is starting to stretch their arms, look around, and realize that they were asleep.

Now, don't go to your friends and families and talk about a message from 8' tall blue birds or talking about ETs that are crazy looking.

What they need to do is approach their family members and begin to seed them with the information about the Secret Space Program, the human technologies that have been developed out – the technologies that are out there but have been kept from us.

When it comes to healing us, providing free energy, water desalination, feeding the planet, all of those things are available.

David: So would you also say that the best way to handle this would be to wait for those teachable opportunities when somebody actually asks a question and has a particular interest?

Corey: You can plant seeds. If you see . . . If there's something going on in the news, and you see they're agitated about it, then you can go in and sprinkle in a little bit of extra information.

“Did you know that we have other space stations out there that we haven't been told about? You know the triangle craft that we've heard about being a UFO? Those are ours. We're flying to and from space.”

And people can believe that easier. They're like, “Oh, yeah. Okay.”

And then they start asking, “Well, what other kind of technologies are they keeping from us?”

It's that type of expansion.

If we go immediately to them about aliens when they've been programmed to reject anything that has to do with aliens, we're not going to get anywhere.

David: Well, let me just run this by you, too.

One of the things that I have found works really well is what I call the “Rule of 10%”. And that is: tell people 10% of what you really want to say and then stop and wait for them to respond.

How do you feel about that as opposed to . . . ? Because I think a lot of people do the big monologue, and that's really dangerous.

Corey: Yeah, people . . . They get lost in the . . . Yeah, that's a good . . . Small, easy-to-digest bites is the way to feed people.

David: And then if somebody changes the subject, you don't necessarily want to try to keep pushing it.

Corey: No.

David: You wait till they think about it and come back later.

Corey: You plant the seed and walk away.

David: Right. Well, this has been very interesting, and thank you for answering everyone's questions, Corey.

And I want to thank you for watching and being so engaged that you send us these questions. We're happy to answer them.

This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, here with Corey Goode, and thank you for watching.

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Cosmic Disclosure: Extreme Experiments With Alien Hybrids

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. I'm here with our special guest, Emery Smith.

So in the previous episode, we were talking about some of these genetic programs that you were involved with in which extraterrestrial DNA was being blended with human DNA. And this gets into some very strange things.

Emery Smith: Yes.

David: And you had mentioned hybrids.

Emery: Right.

David: So hybrid beings might have qualities that are different from regular humans, as you said.

Emery: Right. Right. Like, humanoid extraterrestrials similar to us and similar to our DNA are a great match to make a hybrid.

And, of course, they may have other abilities that we don't have like exceptional hearing, smell, taste. You know, all the senses might be a little bit different or elevated,especially their neurological system and their brains. But they're all compatible. So it's very interesting.

But during a lot of the hybrid testing, it wasn't like it just was that easy. They made a lot of mistakes. There were a lot of mutations.

And during the mutations, they thought that was good, because they would come out a little bit different, such as reduced cognitive function and a very short fuse, we'll say. They became angry, some of the hybrids.

So they made an entire different program based on making sure they could mutate them.

And that was a different project, a different location on this planet, that was also run by the same MILABs.

So they took the mutation of these genes of all these mutated creatures, and then started mutating them even more, more, more and more.

And then they became so mutated that the cells were actually dying too quickly.

And they were able to add proteins to them to re-animate the body, even though it was brain dead.

David: So this is similar to the concept of the zombie.

Emery: Exactly, yeah.

David: So I have heard from others before you and I ever talked about this about the zombie program. And Corey Goode independently said that he was aware of it.

He might not have thought that it was as prevalent as some of the stuff that you've told me, but, again, nobody really has access to all the compartments.

So let's go into this a little bit.

I guess to frame the discussion, first of all, we have to remember some of the people working in this black ops world are straight ahead Satanic Cabal. Correct?

Emery: Correct.

David: Were you made aware of certain groups that had a depopulation agenda, for example?

Emery: Yes, absolutely.

David: And what was their reasoning behind wanting to reduce the Earth's population? What was the excuse that they would use?

Emery: Control. Yeah, it's getting too out of control for them to control. There's too many people for them to control.

David: So by lowering the population, they could create the New World Order concept?

Emery: Correct.

David: Okay. With people that have that kind of psychopathic, cultish background, why would they see this as useful? What would be the agenda here?

Emery: Well, they made it look like they could use it for maybe war or something, dropping in some psychopathic hybrids in an area and killing a bunch of people, but it actually became more ego-oriented with the Cabal.

And what I mean by that is they were funding a lot of money into these underground . . . amazing underground facilities that were growing all sorts of hideous things, mixing all sorts of hybrid DNA.

Don't forget this is all because we were mixing ET DNA with human DNA and not doing it . . . maybe it's just at the right temperature, and things would happen.

They would mutate into very different things, because it does have to be just right.

David: Now, most people who are familiar with traditional ufology are going to be thinking Dulce, New Mexico. Have you ever gotten confirmation of that kind of stuff being in Dulce?

Emery: No. Actually, I've heard of them storing a few of these beings there – a “few” meaning a few hundred – but actually it was at a separate facility not in North America. That is the underground facility.

And mainly it was for safety, because if something were to break out, such as a virus or something, they didn't want it to be HERE first, even though the funders are from . . . live here, and the corporations are based out of the United States of America.

David: In a previous episode, you mentioned some sort of weird bear-human hybrid breaking out and causing a lot of damage.

Is that different from what we're talking about now, or is this a similar type of idea?

Emery: It's different. They were really trying to make a type of hybrid animal, actually, but it didn't have human DNA in it. It was more animalistic and programmable.

And it was more geared up for, like, the osseointegration projects in the early, early years of making a super-warrior animal that could assist the troops or at least just be dropped in a zone and destroy everything before it was killed.

David: So these hybrids that we're talking about now, they have extraterrestrial DNA, but would they look extraterrestrial?

Emery: They may or may not, depending on the percentage of DNA that they have that is human, because they have to have a pretty close match, number one, for it to work.

And that's when mutation happens. When you push the envelope of percentages of human genomes and interacting with making a human from two different types of genes, it can get really tricky. That's why they had all these mutations.

But then, the more human extraterrestrial DNA they got that was more similar to humans, using humanoid extraterrestrial, then they perfected it so it would be okay.

David: So what were some of the extraterrestrial genetic components that advanced these hybrids over what we would normally be like? What were some of the special features, let's say?

Emery: Well, it could be anything from height, higher metabolism, that you didn't have to eat as much, eyesight would be amazingly increased, taste.

All the senses are usually enhanced, but the most important thing was cognitive function and also having a better awareness than a normal human. So they were more aware than a normal human.

And they also had higher IQs than humans.

David: When we're dealing with these malevolent hybrids, these zombie humanoids, what aspect of extraterrestrial genetics was added, and how did that affect them?

Emery: What happens is: when they're making hybridization, many things can go wrong.

Like I said, it could be just a small temperature thing when they're growing these beings.

And once they start mutating, then you've basically lost the entire project. Once a cell starts mutating, then it's not going to come out perfect. It's going to be very different as far as cognitive function.

And what they do is they'll add chemicals and amino acids and peptides and hormones, and they'll try to regulate it.

And if it doesn't go well, they still let it grow. And then they take that genetic DNA from this, and then take it over to that place, that other MILAB. And they usually shipped the whole being and everything.

And then it's stored there for THOSE scientists to make it even worse. You know, they may add animal DNA to it. They may try to make a disgusting creature or being.

And that's why I said it was ego-related because it is being funded, but it wasn't performing anything. There was no performance factor.

Like, we always had performance factors for ALL of our MILABs.

If you don't meet your performance factor, your whole project gets shut down, and that might mean just meeting a quota.

Or it might mean collecting more ETs or beings or whatever.

So getting back to what you just said, it has to do with when we're growing these beings, if they're going to come out good or not, all depends on the environment and if the DNA is a match or not.

And if not, then they would genetically, and using frequencies, try to trick the DNA to making it THINK it's a match.

David: Uh!

Emery: Yes.

David: So if we're having a program that doesn't really have a desirable outcome right off the bat, there's no immediate benefit.

With these psychopathic Cabal people, they're looking at it in a different way.

Are they looking at it as a weapon system of some kind?

Emery: Kind of a fear factor, depopulization factor, you know, they could easily introduce a couple of these beings.

They might go into a city, carry a virus, and easily transmit this virus to a human, and that human would mutate as well.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes! Yeah, not instantaneously, but pretty quickly.

David: It would appear, then, that the media has already been greatly telegraphing something like this.

Emery: Sure.

David: In other words, there's a LOT of movies, and there's a lot of television shows like “The Walking Dead”.

Emery: Well, right.

David: Even the second “Maze Runner” movie turns out to all be zombies.

So it's as if they're telegraphing something that they know they already HAVE to generate more fear.

Would you say that's true?

Emery: Yes, that's exactly true. So I really believe though, even though they may have thousands and thousands of these beings ready to go or doing what they want to do, however they're utilizing it, you know, setting up centers to do mock infections, underground cities and stuff, and using real people for that and clones and programmed life form clones to be utilized in these mass releases of these creatures into a population to see what would happen.

David: You're saying simulations.

Emery: Simulations, yeah. And I think it's more for the enjoyment of the Cabal, to be honest.

Because I do not believe that the extraterrestrials would EVER let something like that happen.

And I also don't believe the Alliance [Earth Alliance] is going to let that happen either.

David: Well, it's interesting because I have another high level insider that gave me a lot of information about the zombie program. And he said that there have been multiple times that the Cabal THOUGHT they were going to release some of these creatures into our society.

And they would have angelic intervention. They would have benevolent ETs, light being type ETs, the REALLY advanced ones, that would completely stop anything like that from happening.

And so what he said was that they ultimately had to scrap enormous programs that they thought they were going to be able to use, because no matter how they tried, no matter which way they tried to flip it around, they just couldn't get it “authorized”.

It's always about authorization for them.

Emery: Right.

David: So would you feel that's true?

Emery: Yeah, I would say that's very accurate.

David: Let's talk a little bit about these simulations, because what you're describing now is something you and I have talked about quite a bit. And it is disturbing, but I think it's important to get a little bit deeper into it than you did.

Paint the picture now for what would happen in a particular underground facility if they were going to make a simulation. What would we see, like . . . just as the chessboard?

Emery: It would be like a Hollywood production studio set up where they would take a center of maybe Miami or just a city anywhere and then mimic a few blocks of that in an area.

David: Okay.

Emery: And then cloned humans that they would just wake up already programmed with something in their head, like they think they lived there their whole lives or whatever, . . .

David: And they wouldn't realize they were in an underground base at all.

Emery: They would not even realize that because they're going to be dead in 10 minutes or infected.

David: Right.

Emery: Because you have to remember this has to do with depopulation programming.

So what they want to know with these simulations is one thing. How fast can we get this virus to spread? And how are the people going to react?

And how many of them are going to fight back, and how many won't?

And who are they going to call? You know, who are they calling?

David: Right.

Emery: So they're very smart about what things to look for, but I think it's just a big chess game for them. I think it's just a big fantasy game.

I don't believe . . . but billions and billions of dollars are put into these little chess game projects.

David: How would a particular simulation come to a conclusion? How long does it run, and how do they conclude it?

Emery: They conclude it when all the humans are dead, and the virus has spread.

David: So you and I have talked about the “Resident Evil” movie series.

Emery: Right, yeah.

David: And we've watched some of them together.

Emery: Sure.

David: So how does “Resident Evil” play into this? I mean, it's a large movie series. There's like nine of them or something.

Emery: Well, you have the Cabal. I mean, it's a perfect description of a Cabal.

David: There's this umbrella corporation.

Emery: Yeah, this corporation umbrella. And they basically were a regenerative medicine corporation, if you read actually the storybook of whoever wrote it.

And what they were doing is trying to regenerate cells for face creams. So it's a great storyline because a lot of these big pharma corporations are behind it . . . of a lot of these things.

So this medicine actually went bad and started actually destroying the skin cells, but it also re-animated them at the same time. So it was really new.

It was kind of like destroying, dying, killing, dying . . . because you want to kill your skin cells so that they grow back faster.

So it was a great concept.

And the thing was they had an underground base somewhere in the United States of America, which was very realistic.

David: In the movie.

Emery: In the movie, which was very realistic.

David: And that's the Hive, right?

Emery: Yeah, the Hive.

And I couldn't believe they actually show schematics because there's many bases that have this hive-looking type base on that movie.

David: So it's very, very accurate.

Emery: VERY accurate.

David: One of the things that I thought was so weird about this movie . . . First of all, the “Resident Evil” movies are all basically zombie films.

Emery: Yes. Right.

David: Pretty much zombies show up in every movie.

Emery: Right.

David: So you go in. You have this Templar type of symbol for Umbrella Corporation.

They show you this over and over again. And then you have this underground city.

And one of the things that I found really weird, Emery, was the number of props, the number of details, the amount of sets that seemed overkill. Like, you don't need that much detail.

Emery: Right.

David: And so how did the scenes in the movie equate with what you actually knew to be true?

Emery: Absolutely. It was probably one of the most realistic sets I've ever seen in my life.

David: Really?

Emery: I was actually shocked the first time I saw it because I could not believe they would show people such detail of security, detail of how the lab is set up.

Even the props were real props – the vacuum closed system rooms, the overhead hoods with the gloves and using the special boxes to keep the viruses in.

Especially what got me was the dogs that they use for being aware of certain chemicals.

That all the viruses in these vats, if you break one, has a special chemical in it that the computer knows it's in the air system.

And then the dogs start barking, alarms start going off.

So it was very accurate, especially utilizing an underground base. Having a secret entrance a couple miles away from the base is very popular.

Having two agents that play husband and wife is very popular. You might have someone living right next door, and that's really an entrance to a base in a suburbia. You wouldn't even know it.

So it's a very interesting storyline.

Everything in there was very accurate as far as the AI as well. They use a lot of AI now for running the base because they don't trust humans.

David: And there's also these sort of boss enemies in the movie, these weird, hybrid, grotesque beings that are not just the typical zombies, but like . . .

Emery: Oh, right. And that's a perfect description of the mutated extraterrestrials and humans.

So they can get up very large, these beings, and very grotesque looking, and only have one thing on their mind.

And they do mind control on those beings too and program them to go to this place and kill this or destroy everything.

So they have the ability because they have the cerebral cortex still working.

David: Let's talk a little bit about what are some of the countermeasures that have been done, even with people here, to stop this.

Emery: Well, I think, like I told you before, anything that's going to destroy more than 70~75% of the population, the ETs are not going to let happen.

So if they were to release a virus like that, it would destroy pretty much the entire population almost unless you have the antibodies for that.

So I think it won't happen, number one. And number two, if it did, I'm sure the white hats and the Alliance already have an antigen for that could easily be put in the atmosphere, and we would all be fine.

I mean, I really think they have our backs.

David: Has the Alliance been actively invading these facilities and shutting them down?

Emery: Uh-huh.

David: Is that part of the . . .

Emery: Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

David: Because I've heard this from other . . .

Emery: Yes, they've been getting in there. They have a lot of moles in there seeing how far they're going and securing our best interests at hand, for sure.

And that's why I'm not really concerned about it.

So it's more of just an ego, like I said, thing.

David: Right. And I've heard from other insiders that they've just hit a brick wall.

Any time the Cabal has tried to do even the tiniest bit of this stuff, they just hit brick wall, brick wall. [They] can't get it to work.

Emery: They can't because they're trying to put DNA together. They don't have the right people. They're having some really severe issues, like I said, mixing the DNA.

Of course, let's say, for instance, like, dogs: you can mate dogs all over the place, I mean, all different kinds of dogs. They can all have puppies.

David: And they're all descended from wolves, usually.

Emery: Right. They all come from one, the wolf.

So what they don't understand is you can't get certain mutated ET DNA with human ET with another mutated different ET human and try to make something out of that, because those are definitely not from one.

David: Right.

Emery: Because they're from multiple different . . .

David: All right. Well, let me ask you this.

Emery: Yeah.

David: If we're looking at us evolving and becoming a spacefaring race, which . . . We already have the technology. It's just not being disclosed to the majority of us.

Then much in the same way that we have different races on Earth that actually . . . From what some insiders tell me, the races we have on Earth are much more different looking from one another than most other ET planets, that they're often very similar looking to each other.

Would you say that's true?

Emery: Absolutely, that's true. We're a very diverse society. So we have many different lineages from many different extraterrestrials, but we're still all able to mate and have children. But we still have very different lineages.

You're correct.

David: So as we grow up and become more of a galactic family, how does this work in terms of sexual reproduction with other humans that might have evolved on other Earth-like planets?

Is that possible based on your knowledge?

Emery: Based on my knowledge, absolutely possible, 100%, and it's kind of like the dog theory. Like, there are many different kinds of dogs, there's many different kinds of humans, but guess what? We all come from one.

David: So how do you think this could play out in terms of maybe the greater plan of how we evolve through the changing conditions on Earth?

I mean, I don't know what you've heard about this, but we've talked a lot about the changes in the Sun, the changes in the Solar System, and that life on Earth, that the conditions will be very different.

Have you heard about the idea that our Solar System is undergoing some sort of change?

Emery: Yes, I think you're probably referring to the Solar Flare and different other planets nearby.

There IS a huge change in the Solar System. Absolutely. And we WILL be affected.

Our light bodies WILL be affected by this.

David: So do you think that if we start to meet other races and we begin to have this sort of cross-cultural coupling take place, that this could be part of how humanity evolves in some way?

Emery: Not only evolves, it's how humanity survives.

David: What are some of the positive aspects that might happen? Like, let's say that we meet up with a race that's much more spiritually adept.

Like, if we coupled . . . Like for example, you look at Greek mythology, right? You have “gods”. You have what they would call “men”. And then you have “heroes”.

And the heroes are the offspring of gods and men.

But heroes would be like Hercules. These are people that have stupendous superpowers. And they're not even full gods.

So are you aware of there being humans out there that have abilities like what the gods would have had in the Greek mythology?

Emery: Yes, I am.

David: And this would include what kinds of superpowers?

Emery: Well, powers that we would look in our history of like levitation, not having to eat, things like that, able to produce light and fire, able to travel in space, able to not have to worry about temperature, not have to worry about oxygen.

David: Bilocation?

Emery: Yeah, bilocation.

David: Telepathy?

Emery: Yeah, telepathy is a big one. A lot of cognitive function powers that we don't have that is just so far above us we wouldn't understand, because they're able to connect to the cosmos.

David: Do you think that at some point people like this might deliberately want to start coupling with us in order to . . . for the greater good in some sense, like the idea of heroes being born?

Emery: I do believe that. We ARE the superheroes of the universe . . .earthlings, believe it or not. They look upon us as the superheroes, because if we don't exist, they don't exist.

And they also look at us like, “Wow! They get to taste and hear and smell and see.” And they don't know. Some of them don't know what that is.

You know, some don't have full digestive systems because their planetary atmosphere gives them everything they need.

So we ARE looked at as heroes, believe it or not.

We look into the movies and look at these extraterrestrials in the skies above like, “Wow! That's so amazing.”

But really, they're looking back saying the same thing.

David: There's a lot of talk about the pineal gland. So many ancient cultures . . . This gland in the middle of the brain . . . And I studied the physiology.

Emery: I know you have, right.

David: And it's got retinal tissue.

Emery: That's right.

David: And there's this water in there. And so we're hearing that . . . From various insiders, I've heard that the pineal gland functions as a stargate, and that if we have a fully activated pineal gland, that we would be like gods. We could go wherever we want.

So don't you get the sense with all these humans out there, and how advanced they are, that we're spring loaded?

There's something about this that we're not using.

Emery: No. We have everything that everyone else has. We're just not activated yet.

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: You know? And it's silly because that's why we are the superheroes. We have more than everyone else, believe it or not.

So it's like if we could just figure out that code and get that download and ascend properly, then we could be a flash of light or take this form or any form we want.

David: One of the interesting things that Corey Goode has shared with us is this concept that a variety of different ET groups, and a lot of which are more human like that in his program they call genetic farmers, were apparently taking the very best ascension type of DNA and then mixing it all together here . . . that they had 22 major different programs on Earth.

So do you think it's possible that . . . I mean, because you kind of said that.

Emery: Yes.

David: Something not quite as specific as I said, but do you think that Earth might be sort of like a garden in which these advanced super powers have been stored inside of us for future activation?

Emery: Yes. That's exactly right. It's the womb that we're still growing in, and still evolving in, and waiting to be activated, and reaching out, making the intention to reach out, to be activated, and to ask for other cultures to visit and to be part of that.

David: When I read the “Law of One” material, I started to have psychic experiences. I started to hear voices that were benevolent, positive, giving me positive guidance. And they call that tuning.

And so I'm curious if you feel that even apart from the sexual reproduction thing, just simply being exposed to advanced humans, simply talking to them or being in their presence, would start to activate.

Emery: It would totally activate. Your field that you put off is everywhere. And it's, of course, right here most concentrated.

So being in another person's field, someone comes home angry, and then everyone else gets angry in the house.

Or someone comes home laughing and giggling, the angry person at home starts laughing and giggling.

It's the same concept, but it actually does a frequency change to modify DNA by being around people that you want to be around and being around beings that have a little bit more, let's say, energy and frequency than you do, because it ups your frequency, because you have to get to that frequency.

David: I remember talking to Henry Deacon, who was the first really heavy duty space program insider who I got to talk to.

Unfortunately, he's never been willing to come forward now. He did come forward a little bit back in 2009 in public after talking to me for two years. We had extensive conversations.

And he said that the feeling of love and peace around some of these extraterrestrial humans was so amazing that it was literally . . . it would bring you to tears.

Emery: Yes, overwhelming. First hand experience is the most overwhelming feeling of love and compassion, and you can't even speak.

You're just so overwhelmed with this joy feeling, and you do. You start crying. You might fall to your knees. You might just pass right out. It's THAT intense.

Because what these . . . not all extraterrestrials, but most of them have this ability and compassion for us, and they love us so much that if you get next to one of these extraterrestrials, you cannot even . . . you'll just get all teary eyed and laugh and cry at the same time.

It's a beautiful, beautiful thing.

David: That's really amazing.

Emery: Right.

David: Well, I want to thank you again for bravely exposing some of the things that are going on. And I do believe that when we speak truth to the power, we empower the truth.

Thank you, Emery, for being here.

Emery: You're welcome.

David: And I want to thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. And I'm here with Emery Smith.







Cosmic Disclosure: Programming Human-Alien Hybrids

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I'm here again with our special guest, Emery Smith.

In this episode, we're going to be getting into extraterrestrial and human hybridization and some of the very bizarre research that he was involved in on that subject.

Emery, welcome back.

Emery Smith: Thanks, Dave. Thanks for having me.

David: When you have told us about the work that you did with the autopsies of extraterrestrial bodies, it's a very curious subject for me because obviously these bodies are coming from somewhere.

Emery: Right.

David: But the scope of how many you yourself autopsied – you say, including all the tissue samples and everything, 3,000, roughly . . .

Emery: Yeah. Specimens – tissue samples and beings, yeah.

David: The sheer genetic diversity of all that material, and then the idea of: if light speed is a barrier for travel, how could there be so many extraterrestrials that we would even be able to get our hands on?

Or is light speed not a barrier to your understanding?

Emery: Oh, light speed definitely is not a barrier for extraterrestrials.

And that's a great point to correlate with the amount of numbers of tissue specimen autopsies I've done, and the number of operating rooms that are down there that are running 24/7, . . .

David: Right.

Emery: . . . and the number of living habitable worlds just in our own Solar System.

David: Right.

Emery: So the numbers are not a lot. We look at it like it's a lot of numbers, but as you pointed out, with everything else that's going on in the universe, and all the different habitable worlds that's been proven, if you really think about it, it's not a big number for just one little planet to have all these different specimens.

And what's not to say all these specimens came from outer space? Maybe they came from inside the Earth in different places. Maybe they DID open up some cavities and found different living things.

Maybe some things have been coming through portals as well that we're unaware of that they've been collecting, which is a whole other subject.

But what's going on is basically we do know one thing: they HAVE specimens. And they're taking this DNA, and they're mixing it with human DNA, and they're trying to make the human a little bit more powerful, a little bit more stronger and trying to also incorporate that to a super-soldier program to have stronger bones, you know, have a faster thought process, and these things.

David: Again, it was very surprising to me when we were talking about you seeing a Reptilian-type of being apparently in custody of two people. You said it was 10' tall, but that for you at that point in time, it could just as easily, or maybe more easily, have been something that we grew, or we made.

You weren't necessarily convinced you were seeing an extraterrestrial.

What led you to having that level of confidence that such a thing could have even been accomplished?

Emery: Well, number one, just seeing something like that, it's hard for me to believe too much that I see when it's like that brought out in the open. And it's usually sometimes done intentionally and sometimes not.

But after working on the cell collection job, I also later on went into the super-soldier program where they were mixing hybrid DNA with human DNA in Petri dishes, of course, really small level stuff, and also the osseointegration program of mixing tissue into titanium and allowing tissue to grow inside titanium and making our bones stronger.

David: How does that work? That seems to be pretty far out stuff. Titanium you wouldn't think is going to be able to blend with living tissue, per se.

Emery: That's what we all thought, but with the advent of new materials out there and the nanoparticles of the surface of the titanium, they have now mastered it and mimicked bone marrow.

You know bone marrow, when you cut into your steak, and you have that mushy, spongy type?

David: Sure.

Emery: Well, they have mimicked that exactly into titanium. Then they put stem cells, and growth factors, and tissue, bone cells, in there, and it grows and just flourishes inside titanium.

David: Really?

Emery: And the body accepts it as a natural . . . It doesn't resist titanium.

So steel and titanium is used in surgery all the time. So they learned this is going to be a great way to reinforce anyone's bones, number one, and to allow them to withstand a lot more pressure.

They were having problems, of course, with the muscles and tendons. Muscles they can grow to infinite.

The tendons were the problem because the tenocytes are the hardest thing to grow, and it couldn't support the weight of the extra metal, and the bone, and the strong muscle.

So then they started looking into hybridization of DNA with stronger tenocytes from other living creatures.

David: Well, you whizzed through a lot of stuff really fast there, so let's try to break this down into chunks.

First of all, yes, I've heard about people having titanium rod in their leg, titanium bolts holding their bones together, that kind of thing, but are we talking about something that can be introduced into a healthy living adult, or are we talking about something that has to be manufactured in conjunction with biological tissue as it grows, like a . . .

Emery: Correct.

David: . . . designer being?

Emery: That's correct. It used to be: let's just reinforce this person, see what happens, which is a very . . . you know, it's surgical. It's a very brutal type thing.

But now, with the advent of 3D printing organs and tissues, all I need is a piece of your DNA, and I can 3D-print you over nine months and have you, your body and your everything.

Even you will recoup a lot of your memory because it's stored in the DNA.

David: Hm.

Emery: So what I'm getting at is: what if I put the titanium already into the vat and 3D-printed you over the titanium with all the articulate cartilage and metaprogram?

And I could program, like you said, the kind of soldier I want.

David: So you're growing it life-adult size from the beginning?

Emery: Correct.

David: Well, normally, a human is going to take 13, 14 years to reach adult height, maybe even longer.

Emery: Right.

David: So how would they accelerate the gestation growth process?

Emery: Yeah, they do that . . . Nine to 24 months, they can make a complete body.

And they do that with the advancement of neurotransmitter chemicals, and hormones, and special amino acids from un-Earth origin that allows the body to regenerate faster and the cells.

The problem they're having is with the brain. It doesn't grow as fast as everything else.

David: Hm.

Emery: So that's the problem with when we take a pig heart. The reason we use pig valves in open-heart surgery . . .

David: Sure.

Emery: . . . is because they grow around the exact same time – cells.

Now, if I took a dog heart and put it in you, it would grow SO fast that you would die, because their cells replicate even faster.

David: Hm.

Emery: So what they are trying to do is: let's find all the species on the planet, and let's find out who replicates the fastest, and let's make it more of THAT species than human.

And that way that will be the dominant gene, you know, in that being, but it will have all those attributes of great eyesight . . . .

So they were splicing hundreds of different genes together, which is very difficult to do. And they use very mega supercomputers to do this because of all the algorithms that are done.

And they did it from scratch, and then they keep adding extraterrestrial DNA to it with the extraterrestrial DNA that they have found that is comparable to human DNA as far as the growth rates.

And that's why I mentioned the pigs, believe it or not, are the closest thing to us. They have the same growth rate.

So once you get all the same growth rate on board, then you're allowed to add certain things to them and growing conditions to accelerate the hybridization and the growth, and at different times adding different chemicals to that being so that the brain keeps up with it, because the brain is the problem.

David: So you're saying that the bone marrow of an entire skeleton would be created almost like a chassis or framework and then grown, or is it more . . . ?

Emery: Yea, you can grow the bone over the titanium and just reinforce it. So the titanium is already there.

And then you have these 3D printers that are printing the tissue into and onto the metal or other substances.

There's other substances they use besides . . . I'm just using titanium as a basis . . .

David: Okay.

Emery: . . . because everyone understands titanium and osseointegration in the science world.

But there are other substances they're using besides that now that are more flexible and that are more durable to keep these . . . you know, to keep the person, or the soldier, or the programmed life form, or the clone, to last longer in battle or to last longer on mission-oriented missions.

David: So if you print up a being into full adulthood in such a short time – you say as little as nine months – does that also lower its overall lifespan because it hasn't grown at the slow rate that a human normally would?

Emery: I was not in the project long enough to know about that, but from what I heard, that is true because of the mutations that happen when you grow cells.

Like if I take your cell – like a stem cell – and I grow a bunch of them, some of them are going to be a little whacked off. And that could turn into a mutation.

And then when they found out this happens, they embraced it, because they were now making new species, because they WANTED it to mutate. And then it got really weird.

So then you were having all these different species in one mutating and forming new crazy monsters.

All sorts of weird designs were being made, mixing extraterrestrial DNA with human DNA, with the DNA from different types of bacteria in the ocean, and this, and that, and the other.

And it just got out-of-hand.

And you'd see vats and vats of these beings in stasis that they failed, like the one I told you about, the tiger, the person-tiger.

David: Part human, part tiger . . .

Emery: Looked like a hum . . .

David: . . . hybrid.

Emery: . . . hybrid, yeah, that was mutated, unfortunately.

David: Is it possible that if you have a being that didn't work out properly, and it's kept in stasis, can that genetic material be reused?

Emery: Uh-huh. Yes.

David: Okay. I figured, but it's . . .

Emery: Excellent question.

David: . . . a little dark, but let's talk about that.

Emery: Yes. Well, you're talking about the actual genetic or the cellular material of that being . . .

David: Right.

Emery: . . . in stasis. Yes, they can do two things. They can terminate the being and liquefy it and then use that amino acids to do other things.

They can also extract the DNA from that and save it and come back to that later if they need a missing something, and basically adding and subtracting things from the DNA is what they're doing to find out what is going to be able to work together, because the problem is everything wants to fight everything.

Just like when we put someone else's heart in someone else's body, there's a rejection factor.

David: Right.

Emery: There's a rejection rate. So what they have perfected is getting rid of all that, getting rid of the antigens and antibodies that are saying, “No!”

They are now able to program the cells to accept it even though the body might not last a year. But at least they will have a body to do whatever job.

David: So the lifespan, the fact that it's so compromised, what does that mean for trying to use clones to build a species?

I would think that that would be . . . It's almost like this is messing around with something that doesn't really have the potential to create any lasting life form. It's more like just a tinkering.

Emery: It IS a tinkering. And tinkering gets my lab money.

So when I make a breakthrough, I'm going to get what I need for my lab for the next year so I can do even MORE tinkering.

But once you get to a spot, which they already have, . . . So they're already making clones. That's not a secret.

They're already making clones and they're storing them in the thousands. Okay? And they are able to keep these clones alive until they activate them.

And we call these “programmed life form clones” - not just a regular clone that they make, and they use for their own personal exper . . . whatever, . . . assistant.

These are clones that are actually going to be used for something, and I can speculate only the worst, because I wouldn't want a whole world full of clones that who knows what's going to happen if they mutate down the road, or how long their lifespan might be.

So they're probably going to be used for war, because they're just an asset that can be destroyed.

That's the only thing I can think of, because I don't know why they would store so many clones in one area and then this information leak out into the private mil labs.

It could be disinformation, but it's not. It's actual real information. And now it's coming out to the public.

China is already saying they'll be growing people for their organs. It's on national news.

So what's going to happen when they're 18? You just kill them and take the organ?

I mean, what's going to happen here? I mean, you're just growing these people.

David: That's pretty bizarre.

Emery: Yeah. So it's a very . . . And 33 people die every day waiting for an organ here, so I get it. But I don't get it, because those are living creatures, or living organs, or however they're doing it.

But to say a body is kind of . . . To say that we're actually going to make a cloned human to harvest its organs is pretty . . .

David: It's ethically complicated, to say the least.

Emery: Oh! It sends chills up my spine.

Why not just grow the organ, like we're doing in most places? You know?

David: Right.

Emery: Well, why grow one organ when you can grow a whole body?

David: That's the way they think.

Emery: Yeah. Ha, ha.

David: Ha, ha. Do you think on some level that they're hoping that if they do enough of this hybridization that they will be able to improve upon whatever we already are?

In a sense, they don't maybe have a spiritual view of this being anything perfect. They're look at it like a machine that they can upgrade.

Emery: THAT is absolutely correct. I believe they are trying to . . .

They stumble upon things during these hybridizations. They stumble upon things that they never knew.

And then some of those things I think may make it to the civilian world to help us heal, but it's just a very slow and costly thing because that's how they make their money.

“Hey, we discovered this because we were doing this. But we just stumbled upon this just because we were doing this experiment.

And then they'll take THAT idea and put it in a box and manufacture it and sell it.

David: One of the extraterrestrial species that Pete Peterson talked about . . . he called them the Simulacs.

And they were apparently a little more simian than humans are, but for whatever reason, I guess they had tails that were . . . the tails could bend.

And they made their fingers . . . They tinkered with their DNA and made their fingers into these long things that could curl like a tail.

I'm curious if you ever saw anything like that in your autopsy work.

Emery: No. But I HAVE seen feet that were hands, like hands – more like hands than feet. And these are very lengthy people, very human but long-jawed, and very white – very white – and beautiful blue eyes.

And they were ectomorphic with the long, lean bones. And they had these big . . . they weren't feet, but large hands for feet, and just like our hands, like exactly like our hands, but they were feet.

And they were not spread out like this. [Emery puts his hands out, but his fingers are not spread.] They were spread out REALLY wide.

David: Wow!

Emery: The fingers would go very wide, too. And a very small palm for the heel. So I think that was for the weight.

And their legs were the reverse – tibia-fibula was backwards in the femur. So if you switched your joints around, it would go the opposite way, back and up.

David: Interesting.

Emery: Yeah.

David: And when you say long-jawed, do you mean that the face extended down more than ours would?

Emery: Yeah, the jawline, . . . at least an inch, and it was a very thin face. They were very attractive beings.

David: What were the size of the eyes like compared to ours?

Emery: Big almond eyes, twice the size of ours.

Smaller nose. They had teeth just like ours, and they had lips.

They had no eyebrows, and they had . . . Their ears were oval and very small.

David: So here you are day after day. You said some days you might have even done multiple specimens in one shift depending on what the assignment was.

Emery: Right.

David: And we talked in a previous episode about how other genetic teams . . . You'd take a sample out of the cadaver. You'd put it through the wall. Other teams start working on it.

So how extensive do you think this ET-human hybridization is?

Emery: In my own opinion as of today . . . because I know when I left, they had already accomplished it.

So I know as of today, they have already probably duplicated 20, 30 species, like cloned the extraterrestrial species to learn about them.

And they have also mixed their DNA with our DNA.

So I'm sure there is at least 20~30 hybrid species today that can be confirmed. And that's my opinion and speculation, because I know how many they had about the time I left that they were successful with.

David: And you mentioned that the tiger-human was one type that didn't really work out.

Emery: At that time, it did not work out.

David: Oh! But it might have worked out later if they kept working on it?

Emery: Yes.

David: So what would be some other examples of a being that actually had been successfully hybridized? What would we see, just if you could give me one example to start with?

Emery: Well, there is one of the avian extraterrestrials that I have met that are different than Mr. Goode's avians.

And this birdlike human looked like a pterodactyl.

David: Really?

Emery: And they're highly intelligent. They're very nice. They're very intuitive. Of course, they're telepathic.

They don't really fly, but they have very small wings on the back like a pterodactyl.

So imagine a pterodactyl head, that thin, but with a nice mouth underneath, in a body – in a scaly body.

David: So the really long mouth with the teeth?

Emery: Yeah, like the long face, . . .

David: Okay.

Emery: . . . and then underneath is a small mouth underneath the jaw.

David: Oh! Wow!

Emery: Yes. So they were successful with making a hybrid one of these.

And I don't know if they're doing that because it would remind people of a demon, or a dragon, or something if they wanted to use it religiously.

David: Hm.

Emery: Because definitely it would get a lot of attention if this thing would walk around downtown because it's kind of like . . . You know, it's an ancient dinosaur-looking creature, but it stands upright.

And it's scaly. And it's green and red scales.

And it's very large scales like a fish . . .

David: Hm.

Emery: . . . you know, REALLY large scales.

Now, the back of it has these ridges that go down from . . . It starts at the neck all the way down the spine on both sides.

And it reminds me of the back of a crocodile's or alligator's spinous process.

And you know how they have all those little spikes on the back?

David: Sure, yeah.

Emery: Okay. So picture that going all the way down their back into a very, very small tail near the coccyx bone.

David: Hm.

Emery: And that's what it looked like, and it was beautiful.

David: And it didn't have clothes?

Emery: No.

David: What was the height?

Emery: 8'.

David: Wow!

Emery: Yeah. I think they made him larger. They were trying to make him REALLY big, but the species itself was around 6' to 7'. And the hybrid ones were around 8' to 10'.

So for some reason, they were able to use the human DNA to make these compatible, and I don't know how they did it, by the way.

David: The species itself, meaning this is not like a hybrid of a human and a pterodactyl. This is some sort of extraterrestrial.

Emery: They took the extraterrestrial pterodactyl and cloned it with a human, and they made this other species.

David: Now, the pterodactyl head, obviously it has a long jaw, but it also has this kind of . . . phalange on the back. [David illustrates the part of the pterodactyl head that protrudes from the back of the head.]

Emery: Yes. Very large phalange, absolutely.

David: So that was there?

Emery: yes.

David: Weird. So that sort of sounds like some of the Egyptian things that we see, like, for example, they have this staff that they're always holding.

And it has what looks like a pterodactyl head on that.

And I'd always speculated that might be a pterodactyl that had popped through a portal or something.

Do you think that these pterodactyl-looking beings might have visited the Egyptians and might have been immortalized into that staff or . . . ?

Emery: Because of the head, it's just a . . . It's like a given. You kind of know. It's like, “It's just like in the Egyptian . . . “

But that's a speculation. I can't say that for . . . That's not my specialty, the Egyptian.

But just looking at it, it's like a given. It's like, “My goodness! This is so similar to what they have over there.”

And it's so ancient, too. And they may have been here, because I heard a lot in history about these pterodactyls and things being caught here, and also people visualizing these, and many different accounts of these beings there. So I don't know.

David: Could we discuss another example of one of these hybrid beings that was successful that you got to see?

You mentioned a bird-like being but that it was a bird-like being because it was a pterodactyl.

So what would be another one that would jump out as a peculiar example.

Emery: Well, not all the beings are phantasmical from Earth insects and stuff like that, like the praying mantises and people . . . and these other lineages.

But the most fascinating ones are the ones that actually look like us, the ones that are just a little bit different. Maybe they're a little bit wider, maybe a little bit taller, but they have a face. They have the same digestive system.

And they're just so much more advanced than us and conscious. And their brains are always larger for some reason.

And that's one thing I want to point out is: a lot of the most intelligent five star, you know, humanoid-type extraterrestrials is what they really want.

Because for some reason, it's the most compatible with our DNA. I wonder why.

David: Right.

Emery: I wonder why.

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: So with that being said, any time THAT comes in – and I've seen these beings before, not only with my experiences on CSETI, but also in the Milabs – they are the easiest to make a hybrid out of.

And THAT'S what they have done. And they have hundreds of these hybrids.

So if they can get their hands on one, then they're set. It'll work out.

And they've been very successful, meaning these beings are living a very lengthy life, and because of the very similar genetic code. They're just more advanced, and they have telepathy.

You know, they can do things that we cannot do.

They could be used for good or bad if they would learn how to program them.

David: Well, we've had several other insiders talk about Draco-Reptilians as being a group that now with our technology in the secret programs, they might only be 40 years ahead of us in terms of where we're going secretly.

And in some ways, we're now actually at parity with them in terms of warfare.

So it would appear that our genetic technology is also becoming comparable with them.

So they hybridized their DNA with humans, . . .

Emery: They did.

David: . . . and then they act like they're our gods . . .

Emery: Right.

David: . . . that they get to control us or something.

Emery: Yes.

David: How do you see our understanding of a supreme being evolving with this genetic recombination stuff? It doesn't . . . I don't think it really would make us gods. Do you?

Emery: No. I mean, I don't know what your interpretation of God is, but I don't believe that at all, because if you have any similar DNA or lineage, that means you can be compatible. You know, you can live peacefully, if you're at the level of that other civilization is the problem.

They're waiting for US to get to that right level with everyone else.

And there's many civilizations all around the universe that started the same time we did. And they're so far beyond us because they were not held back from free energy and anti-gravity and were not puppeteered.

David: Right.

Emery: And there's going to be a huge meeting soon with the Galactic Federation. And they will take five leaders from this planet. And they will tell and bring them to this galactic court and say, “Why did you do this?”

And they're going to say – these world leaders - “What are you talking about? We didn't do anything.”

And then in the back behind them is a giant screen projecting everything they know to the Galactic Federation. And they are telling the truth.

And then they will see that the 300 major corporations are responsible for the world's leaders and all the stuff they've done to all the people of Earth.

So they will come back and grab them.

David: So you're talking about some kind of potential criminal trial . . .

Emery: Yes, huge trial.

David: . . . in which lying is impossible.

Emery: It's impossible. You will not be able to lie. No one will.

David: Right. So there's a lot of ethical complications with trying to create designer species, but I think that maybe a deeper level we could get into is just to say that if there is a supreme being, it's the genetics itself that emanates throughout the universe.

And simply combining genetics doesn't make you a god.

Emery: No. You can't . . . It's like being born into royalty or marrying into royalty. It's still royalty.

The still are going to accept that person.

David: Right.

Emery: So what I'm getting at is that it's still neutral. We're still going to get the neutral. It's not a good or bad. It's just still the same. It's what is programmed and what your belief system is that gets in the way.

So no one deserves to control anyone against their free will.

David: All right. Well, that's all the time we have in this episode. Emery, thank you very much.

Emery: You're welcome.

David: And I want to thank you out there for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, with our special guest Emery Smith.

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Cosmic Disclosure: New Discoveries of the Ancient Builder Race

David Wilcock: Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. I am here with Corey Goode for his fascinating cosmic updates. And in this episode, we're going to cover the return of the Ancient Builder Race.

Corey, welcome back.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So we are in the middle of a very important scene here with a cliffhanger. You were told you were going to get a tour of the LOC [Lunar Operation Command], and you mentioned for the first time on this show that there are actually three of them.

So could you tell us a little bit more about what was that tour going to be, and why is it relevant?

Corey: I was told that I was going to be able to tour some ancient facilities that the three LOCs were built around.

David: Oh, really?

Corey: Right. Immediately after the briefing had concluded, we were escorted directly to that tour, but the briefing wasn't over.

What occurred was the window that was against the wall that had the moonscape scene, one of the large smart-glass pad screens lowered from the ceiling.

And Sigmund stood up, and he said, “I've got a treat for the both of you.”

He stood next to the screen, and then pivoted back toward us at the table, and he said, “For some time, we have been observing what appears to be a derelict craft that's been coming towards our Solar System, and it's, you know, one of the many things out there that we're monitoring.”

David: Did you have a sense as to what he meant by “for some time”? Are we talking many years?

Corey: That's all I got.

David: Hm.

Corey: So I know they've probably been tracking it for many years.

David: Hm. Okay.

Corey: He said, “We were observing it with key interest, because it was getting closer and closer to the Outer Barrier.”

And the region where the Outer Barrier is, they were kind of interested to see what would happen when the craft interacted with the Barrier, . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . like what type . . .you know. They could gather intel.

David: Did they have any intel on . . . like if a spacecraft had tried to escape our Solar System and hit the Barrier, does it explode? What actually happens if something strikes the Barrier?

Corey: It seemed to be kind of like a plastic or something that held them back.

David: Oh!

Corey: They would try to go, and it would hold them back.

David: So it didn't necessarily destroy them, but it just would stretch?

Corey: Right.

David: Okay.

Corey: Right.

David: So how much information were they able to gather about this craft? Like, were they observing it up close? Were they landing on it?

Corey: Well, they were gathering telemetry for a while, and they were watching it approach the Barrier.

David: Oh, right! So because they couldn't leave the Barrier . . .

Corey: Right.

David: . . . they couldn't go out and look at it. They could just watch it with instruments.

Corey: Right.

David: Okay.

Corey: So the moment that it was going to strike the Barrier region, they had all of their instruments pointed in that direction.

And to their shock, this derelict craft came through the Barrier.

David: Really?

Corey: Well, yeah, but what they didn't know . . . So the Barrier had already been dissolved or taken down.

David: Right, which you had said in the previous update.

Corey: Right.

David: Yeah.

Corey: But an announcement didn't go out. No one knew.

David: Right.

Corey: So a lot of the beings weren't coming here or leaving because they thought the Barrier was still erected.

David: But you had mentioned that this Galactic Federation was now enforcing it.

Corey: Right.

David: So would that end up being basically the same thing in terms of how it works?

Corey: Basically, in how it works, except with a military blockade, they're probably going to stop you with extreme prejudice.

David: Right. Okay. So once they found out that the Outer Barrier wasn't working, that this craft glided through it, what did they do next?

Corey: Well, Sigmund, as he was standing up giving the presentation, he sort of puffed up, and he said, “I led an expedition to this craft to see who owned it; where it came from.”

David: Hm.

Corey: And as he said that, telemetry started popping up on the screen. It was obviously a video, and then all of these numbers and coordinates started popping up real fast, and then they went away.

And then I saw a long narrow point of light, like in black space something reflecting light, and it was slowly tumbling, very slowly tumbling.

And I started hearing beeping and communications, sort of like a NASA transmission, and they were talking about matching the spin of the craft.

And then they were calling out how close they were, you know, and touch down or land with the object, and they did, “Three, two, one, mark”.

You know, it was just like a NASA transmission.

The shuttle that was approaching this craft, out of it, I guess the side of the craft or the bottom, it shot out a drone.

And this drone was taking a video of the shuttle craft getting closer and closer.

It was a long cigar-shaped stone craft. It was made of stone.

David: Okay.

Corey: About a third of the way down was what looked like a metallic, very crystalline metallic material, that was obviously where the bridge had been of this craft.

And this stone craft looked like it had gone through just millions of years of collisions of other space objects. It was really beat up.

On the outside, there was . . . looked like dirty ice going from the point of the dome, . . . And the dome had all these holes in it. It was all cracked and smashed up,

But out of it, going along the side of the craft and around, was ice. It looked greenish-brown, like lake water, with here and there pink or orange little smears in it.

I obviously didn't know what THAT was at this point.

Once they landed and secured their landing with this craft, they began to exit in spacesuits.

David: How did they get in?

Corey: Well, they got in through one of the holes.

David: In that bubble that you mentioned?

Corey: Yeah, in that bubble. They had lights on their helmets and on different parts of their suits, and at the end of each of their wrists, there was a light shooting out.

David: Was there any gravity that allowed them to walk, or how were they able to maneuver into the craft?

Corey: There was no gravity. They pulled their selves through just like you see astronauts on the Space Station, you know?

David: Okay.

Corey: They were wearing, like, GoPro-type cameras, and it cut to a video feed of, at that time, one of the cameras on one of the suits.

And as they went in, the lights that they had were very bright. You could see fairly well in their general vicinity.

It was obvious that there was no gravity in the craft either, and in the bottom of the craft where the floor would be, there was a thick ice coating that was just like what was on the outside of the craft.

It looked like frothy lake water with organic material in it.

David: Hm.

Corey: Immediately, there was a guy picking at the top of it with like a little pick ax looking thing, and then he took a core under that. It was only like that deep. [Corey shows about 4” or 100mm]

They're putting them in these plastic vials and bags, taking samples, taking photos and video.

David: Was there any consensus as to what that might actually be?

Corey: Sigmund said that later on, after they tested everything, that it WAS full of organics, and that it was most likely remains of the crew . . .

David: Really?

Corey: . . . of the original crew.

So in the video, I see all of these different panels that were pulled off of walls that were just floating around, and there were areas that obviously technology used to be, but it had been picked bone dry.

They said it was obvious that over millions of years that the craft had been boarded many times by different extraterrestrials, and that they had picked it clean.

So they were documenting where all this technology had been removed.

There were different signs around from different ETs that had been there.

And one the video of one of the astronauts, you then hear over the radio, “I found something. You guys need to come and see this.”

And then, all of a sudden, you see the astronaut is traveling through different floors, going through different floors on the craft, on this ancient craft, and you'd see him pulling through holes and looking for openings to go into the direction, because the person called out, “I'm on this deck aft starboard side”, you know. And they were making their way there.

And when they got to the area where . . . You could see light coming in from a doorway where a panel was jammed sideways in the door, and you couldn't see that there was a doorway there normally, but this astronaut found it, and he was inside.

And then the man with the camera goes inside, and there is kind of a room with a bunch of . . . looked like drawers, like a morgue. And it went up pretty high.

The room was fairly large, and the drawers were curved like that. [Corey spreads his hands out in front of him and spaced out in almost a half-circle shape.]

David: Did this frothy ice exist on all of the surfaces or just the floor?

Corey: It was just on the floor, which, as I told you, there was no gravity. So they stated that, at the time . . . It had been close to a star.

They said that this craft was around a star not too far away – they named the star – and that it was stuck in an orbit around this star for millions and millions of years.

The temporal data that they were able to use to date this object was one billion plus years old.

David: Wow! And just so that we're clear, this is not carbon 14 dating. This is some other technology that we don't usually have.

Corey: Right. Yeah, it's a completely different technology.

David: Okay.

Corey: But they start pulling open drawers, and some of them are empty, and then some of them were not.

David: Hm.

Corey: They opened a drawer, and on it was laying a being that looked like a pterodactyl.

It was very light pale blue, and it looked like it was probably darker blue before pre-mortem, before it died, and it just faded.

And in another drawer that they opened was this pinkish-orange looking being.

The torso was very thin, and it looked pliable, and then it went off into two legs that looked like basically tentacles.

David: Like from an octopus?

Corey: Like from an octopus.

David: Hm.

Corey: And also, it had water jets on it. It was obviously an aquatic being.

At first when I saw it, I thought it was some sort of mammalian.

David: Are these bodies just sitting on a gurney, or are they inside a tube or something?

Corey: No. They are laying on a table. They're like stuck to the table. They didn't start floating up. They were stuck to it.

And the long aquatic being had, interestingly enough, three toes and three fingers that had suction cups on them.

David: Which is very much like the Golden Triangle being.

Corey: Right.

David: Yeah.

Corey: They pulled in bags. They were going to start bagging the bodies.

And when they started pulling at the bodies, they just started disintegrating. They were like freeze-dried from being in space for so long.

They started, you know, putting the pieces in the bags. The whole room filled up with a dust and particles of the body.

One of the guys was using some piece of a panel – it's like a spatula – to scrape to get the body, because it was just bonded to the table.

David: I mean, that seems a little odd, because if you look at the protocol now for if we find a new tomb in Egypt or something, everybody has to be so careful not to damage anything.

If this is such a valuable object, why would they be so careless in the way that they're trying to get these samples?

Corey: Well, this is the SSP Alliance. This was a quick operation where they had to get in, gather intel, and then leave.

David: Ah. So it's not like with . . . Probably with all the artifacts that they've found over the years, they don't have time to treat this with a great deal of staff and a great deal of attention.

Corey: Yeah. They really didn't have time to set up like an archaeological dig site properly.

If it would have been a larger space program, one of the ones that's in control of that region of space, they would have set up a . . . and they may have already taken possession of the craft and then set up a forensics team.

David: So these bodies just crumble apart, and they're putting them into bags?

Corey: Yes. And at this point, we end up cutting to a different camera of another team, because someone else was calling out that they found something.

And they went to this one particular floor that was larger than the others, and everywhere on all the walls were two different types of writing.

Now, if you hadn't guessed by now, this technology is Ancient Builder Race technology.

David: Wow!

Corey: So the crew was very excited.

David: So could you please review for us what is the Ancient Builder Race technology throughout our local star system, and why is a written inscription so important?

Corey: Well, in our local star cluster of 52 stars or so, this one ancient race left technology and artifacts everywhere, but nowhere were they able to find any type of writing or glyphs.

Other ETs had gone in years later, cleaned off any writing and glyphs, and basically claimed that, “This is OUR technology. WE built this technology.”

David: And you had said that a lot of these artifacts were pyramids, obelisks, that kind of stuff?

Corey: Yeah. Yeah, definitely a number of them are different types of structures like that.

David: Interesting. So, wow, finding writing, whoever tried to sanitize all this, that opens up a huge new avenue of archaeological exploration.

Corey: Well, not only that. Apparently, one of the languages, they were able to translate fairly quickly.

David: Hm.

Corey: And I saw a video of . . . the walls, the ceilings, the floors. There was writing everywhere – two different types.

One type that they had not fully figured out, they said, was a type of a language and a hyperdimensional mathematics mixed together. There was some wispy stylized type of glyphs.

But the others were dots, long dashes, short dashes. It was kind of like Morse code, but it was very complex. They learned the order to read it in, and they said it was very similar to a glyph type of root language that they found on several planets in our local 52 star cluster.

David: Wow!

Corey: It was close enough to where they could decipher. The other language they were unable to decipher.

David: Are there any traces of that root language on Earth?

Corey: They said that they had found elements of that writing in different forms.

David: So did you ask at some point whether this was Ancient Builder Race, or if they had determined that?

Corey: Well, actually I didn't have to ask. Sigmund stated, “You know, this was Ancient Builder Race technology, and now we finally have some of their writing.”

They were more excited about that than the prospect of finding any type of genetic or technical materials.

David: Wow! If this writing appears in all these different ancient star systems, then would that suggest that this group was visiting them and was seeding written language and mathematics and civilization on these different inhabited worlds?

Corey: Well, at one time, I guess you could call it an empire, all of those stars were part of a giant empire, or group, and these were the remnants of that empire that disappeared.

Now, what's interesting is that when they were looking around at these different floors and gathering information, later on they determined that a couple of the floors had been pressurized with water not air.

So the craft was a joint craft between an aquatic species and a non-aquatic species.

David: Wow!

Corey: And apparently, whatever occurred to this vessel, caused it to depressurize, a catastrophic depressurization, and that basically destroyed the beings that were on the inside.

It homogenized them and made them a part of this goo, this muck, that froze to the ship.

David: So I believe it was around December 10th or 11th of 2017 that the mainstream media announced this cigar-shaped asteroid that NASA has just discovered that they called “Oumuamua”.

And it sounds a lot like what you're describing.

Is that the same object?

Corey: It is.

David: Okay. So that's really interesting, because it happens just a few days before the sanctioned Tom DeLonge disclosure took place.

Corey: And right after the Blue Avians faded out of our density.

David: Ah! Right. So do you think there are plans for this craft to be revealed to us at some point in terms of them showing this footage that you saw, or going there again?

Corey: Maybe. Maybe. You know, I don't know. That's . . . I don't think they were planning on sharing THAT much information for a while. I think it was more of a great opportunity to gather intel more than anything.

David: The NASA report said that it passed out of our Solar System, and that it had a red metallic kind of color to it.

So they really do seem to be trying to help Disclosure along by making this announcement.

What are your feelings about the implications of this craft for humanity?

Corey: Well, depending on what is deciphered language-wise inside that craft, we're going to have a lot more information about this Ancient Builder Race.

Even some of the most ancient ETs that we deal with out there, they're just as much in the dark as we are.

David: Right. So what happens after you go through this briefing about the craft and you see the video?

Corey: The video ends. He asks if we have questions. We ask some questions, and then get a little bit further information that has to remain classified, unfortunately.

And then it was announced, “Are you guys ready for your tour of the LOC?”

We ended the meeting, and Gonzales and I walked outside.

The female Air Force officer was out there, and Sigmund came, and a few of the other SSP Alliance representatives came with us.

On the floor, there was this one elevator that you saw, and the rest were just a bunch of closed doors.

We went to that elevator, which was a different elevator than the one we came down on.

Then we got on the elevator, and we started heading downward.

David: So what happened when you ended this elevator ride? Where do you end up next?

Corey: We exit into a room that you walk through, and then you go down some stairs and out to an open area.

And when we were in this little room that we first walked out of, there was glass, and I could see the lava tube cavern under the LOC.

We get in a shuttle type of craft. We take off, and we begin flying through the tube, this giant lava tube.

As we were flying, below, I saw what looked like old giant tractors that were broken and were set to the side, like it was a piece of equipment that broke.

It was too big to move, so they just pushed it aside and went on with their business.

It was VERY old, and it had tracks on it like a tractor. And they had big almost like blades coming out.

Like you had the tractor, the tracks, and out of the tracks came these long almost extensions that almost looked like toothpicks, but fat. And that helped to give them more grip as they were going.

And there were track marks behind it. You'd see track marks with a line, track marks with a line, and they were staggered.

And there were a few different types of tractors down there that looked like they were obviously old and broken.

And then we see human-made structures on the bottom of the cavern.

There's another large hole, and there were bases that were like cylinders, but like half-cylinders, split radiating out from this hole.

We went down, docked, and they have us go into LOC Bravo.

LOC Bravo is a much smaller facility. Walking around, we actually saw people with NASA emblems on one-piece suits and even a blazer one guy was wearing, which was interesting. I'd never seen anything NASA related to that point.

David: Yeah.

Corey: A small group of people started walking towards us very excitedly, and they were PhD types, scientists.

They started telling us, “We're going to go on a five-hour excursion. We need you to be in these environmental suits. We're going to train you real quick on using the environmental suits, on the security backup procedures, and once we get all suited up, we will head down.”

So we all got suited up in these environmental suits. They weren't pressurized. They were just environmental suits.

And then we re-embarked on to the shuttle craft, and it flew us down into the hole.

And when we flew down into the hole, I saw many, many more ancient machines that were obviously broken and shattered.

When the scientist . . . he began to talk to us as we were heading into this tour.

He said the Moon itself is . . . It has been struck many, many times, obviously, by asteroids and other things.

And he showed a crater on a device, a crater that was struck by a meteor, and underneath, it fractured the whole area. It hit, and then it bounced off, and then it fractured an area and then pulls it open.

David: Ah!

Corey: So it's like, you know, there's density here, a meteor hits, and the Moon pushes back. So it bounces back, and it pushes in the Moon crust material. Then it expands back out.

And all the energy is transferred to the rock, so it melts.

After it spreads apart and melts, it begins to form lava channels, because of something to do with the way the Moon is spinning. I didn't understand it all.

And it's created these huge lava-type caverns, but also these huge rift areas to where the smashing occurred, and then it pulled back away, these huge kind of like ripped areas where the rock had been pulled apart.

David: Right.

Corey: And those had been exploited long ago by several different races. Now, sadly, I can't get into very many details about this five-hour tour yet, but I'm told I will be able to give all the information very soon. But I can tell you, it was an amazing tour.

David: Corey, could you tell us anything at all specific about what you saw? You mentioned machines that look shattered. Were they crystalline machines?

Corey: Yeah, and most of everything that we were shown was destroyed. Some sort of huge concussion wave had occurred thousands of years ago that destroyed just about everything in the Moon.

I did see some bodies, ancient bodies, and I did see a bunch of things on the ground like these I-beams that were shattered and broken that looked like they were extremely strong, but were made out of that same crystalline-type metallic material.

David: Oh, like what these pyramids and domes and stuff are made from?

Corey: Right.

David: Wow! So you think these machines were actually making the beams out of the lunar material?

Corey: They were obviously ground works devices. They were helping connect a lot of these caverns and rift systems, and they were building them out.

There were signs of concrete that they were using as well that they were making out of the regolith.

Now, at one point, when we're standing and looking at all of this, I look over at Gonzales, and I said, “I've never seen anything like this. Have you?”

And he was quiet. He was just looking.

And then Sigmund said, “Actually, you've been here before.”

And I looked at Sigmund, and I said, “What do you mean?”

Then it was explained to me that during one of my previous 20-and-Backs, one that I don't have full recall of, I was a part of an expeditionary team. I'd apparently been all through that complex prior.

David: Well, it does seem interesting to think about as we explored the new world, we found the Mesoamerican pyramids. The feeling of awe of people who saw that for the first time when it had never before been seen by Europeans seems similar to what you're describing here.

And then after a while, everybody takes it for granted. “Oh, yeah, the pyramids.”

Do you think that will eventually happen with this, too?

Corey: Well, it seemed it had already occurred with the eggheads that were there working on it, you know?

David: Right.

Corey: It's amazing what can become normal.

David: Did you hear about this ever potentially becoming known to humanity as a whole?

Corey: As a matter of fact, one of the PhD types was standing there, and so was Sigmund, and they basically pronounced that one day we will be giving this same tour to a major television network.

David: Wow! Did they have any sense of how soon that would be?

Corey: No.

David: Well, you had mentioned in a previous update that this time period of 2023 to 2024 appears to be one in which a lot more of the Full Disclosure scenario will happen.

So do you think it's possible that this would be one of the things we would see during that window?

Corey: It's possible, but I think that is something that . . . You know, like I said, the Powers-That-Be were planning on revealing an ancient civilization discovered in Antarctica and at the bottom of the ocean, and then claim that they're part of this bloodline of this ancient culture.

Then they were going to say, “Oh, by the way, we have a Secret Space Program, and we've traveled to all these different planets and the Moon, and we found these same artifacts there.”

So it could be a part of that revelation.

David: Right.

Corey: These were university-egghead types that were working at the LOC.

David: So what happens at this point? How does this story progress from here? You're told there's a lot of things you can't say. You can't give us very many descriptions of what you saw.

I guess you can't tell us what the bodies looked like.

Corey: Mm-mm.

David: Okay. Could you tell us if they were giants or regular size, or is even that not allowed?

Corey: All I can say is that they were larger than us.

David: Ah. Okay. That makes sense.

So how does this . . . What happens to you next?

Corey: Well, we're brought back to the LOC Bravo. Like I said, we also visited LOC Charlie. I can't talk about any of that.

We came back . . .

David: But you had implied that these LOCs were built around architectural sites.

Corey: Right.

David: Okay.

Corey: It ended with us coming back, taking off the environmental suits. We were just soaking wet with sweat.

We were allowed to take showers, and then put on the clothes that we wore when we arrived.

Then, you know, we were again . . . The secrecy thing was talked about. It always is.

They had us both, Gonzales and I both, sign a non-disclosure.

David: Really?

Corey: Yeah. We had a small debriefing, and then we were, basically, brought back up to LOC Alpha, I guess, we can call it now.

And I was brought back up to the same catwalk area where the dart had landed, and I went home.

David: So what do you think will happen to us as a society if we get to that point where that live television broadcast occurs? How will that be for us?

Corey: I think at that point, we will already have had quite a bit of disclosure, but this is going to expand our consciousness in a major way as a society.

We're going to go from thinking we're these little knuckle draggers on this one little planet to realizing that we're a part of a living, breathing cosmos, and that we have cosmic cousins all around us that, once we get our stuff together as a society, that we're going to be able to interact with and trade with and learn from.

David: Yeah.

Corey: So it's going to be a very exciting time.

David: Well, this is a very exciting future that we have in store for us, and I really do hope that we get to see this.

And I want to thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, here with Corey Goode.

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Cosmic Disclosure: Subterranean Secrets of Humanity

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I am here with Emery Smith, continuing our fascinating discussion into underground civilizations.

Emery, welcome back.

Emery Smith: Well, thanks, Dave. I can't wait to get into this one.

David: So one of the things that I'm curious about, because there's a lot of light bulbs going off in my head right now, we have the crash site in Antarctica that we've already talked about before.

Emery: Right.

David: You said there's a very massive . . . You confirmed independently, a very massive mothership there . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: . . . that we've been studying for how long?

Emery: As far as I know, through these scientists, 24 years.

David: Okay. And we have some kind of connection between that wreckage and the underground civilization that you described in Ecuador, . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: . . . which you said is actually . . . started maybe as a craft, but then it got built out or something?

Emery: Yeah. I think the energy of the craft must have stimulated . . . must have had also organisms on it, or bacteria, because it changed the inside of the cavern into a different atmosphere, even.

And the creatures that are down there and the plant life and stuff is completely different than the surface. And they have taken creatures out of there, brought them to the surface, and they instantly died.

David: Can you breathe the air without an apparatus?

Emery: Yes. It's the cleanest air. I felt great down there, actually. And they've already tested it over and over and over.

This is a new find, by the way, that I'm aware of.

David: Just to recap this Ecuador thing briefly, one of the pieces of intel we got from Pete Peterson, he talked at great length about how the ship in Antarctica had . . . that when you lived in the place in the ship, that you had your own yard. And there was like a filtration system of, like, from the bathroom, from your shower, from the toilet, that would go in and feed this garden.

And so obviously, this was buried under the ice, and so everything was destroyed.

But now what you're telling me about Ecuador makes me wonder if maybe the vegetation in THAT ship in your own yard would have looked similar.

Emery: Interesting.

David: What would your thoughts be on that?

Emery: Yeah. I think there's a definite correlation between that and there. These are two completely different environments, of course, now, so I would expect different things to happen chemically. But that's still open for observation.

I know they have a really good team down there, and they're not mistreating it and just chopping it all up and taking it all out. So we'll see what happens.

David: Now, another thing that has all kinds of light bulbs popping off in my head is that the oldest of the Antarctica wreckage that I've heard about, from more than one source, is, apparently, 33-feet-tall giants.

Emery: Oh, yes. Yes.

David: Have you heard anything like that?

Emery: Yes, I've heard about that.

David: Okay. What did you hear specifically?

Emery: That there was a lot of other sarcophagi and a lot of other extraterrestrials, bodies down there, that were over 30 feet tall that they have already found excavated. Some were removed. Some were not, of course.

They're trying to build a story now behind everything and slowly release it to the public in a very calm way, because it goes against, of course, all the stuff that we've been brought up to believe as far as where we come from and religion.

So they're going to just slowly seep these things out.

One of the amazing things that we found at this other place that we were talking about earlier . . .

David: In America?

Emery: . . . in America, was a 33-foot being inside a sarcophagi in a state of stasis.

David: Really?

Emery: So this is kind of a pre-Adamite-type being we believe. And, of course, the pyramids are nearby. That empty block cube-rooms are nearby.

The five acres of white-powdered gold is nearby, and this is where the steps descend down into the hollowed out meteorite, or whatever you want to call it – the hollowed out Earth rock that is suspended mass around an aquifer.

David: Right. So regarding stasis beings, we have heard from Corey, some of the most recent briefings he got, and I believe Peterson had this too, that they found stasis beings that were 500,000 years old in the earliest Antarctica city of the . . .

You know, there's a very, very ancient one.

Emery: Right.

David: It's over a billion years old, apparently, but then the recent one of 500,000 years ago had this EXACT same thing you just described. So that is amazing.

Did you hear about similar stasis beings in Antarctica? I'm curious.

Emery: No, I did not. No, I did not hear about any stasis beings that were in Antarctica. They did not talk about that.

And there's many teams, just so you know.

And this team was only a team of four scientists.

David: Really?

Emery: There's thousands of scientists on this project down there that work for different governments and our government, and that are trying to cover up things and keep things also preserved.

And as I said, I don't believe the craft actually crashed there either. I really think the craft actually was there and just stayed there. And whatever happened happened at that time, whether it was a cataclysmic event or whatnot.

David: Right.

Emery: And now, the snow is melting, and Earth is going to be the Full Disclosure. Ha, ha.

David: Ha, ha. When we're looking at Antarctica being such a subject of interest, one of the insiders I spoke to said that there was a dark agenda, to some degree, for disclosing Antarctica.

They felt that it would be able to create a religious war.

Just speculating, . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: . . . why do you think that might be?

Emery: Well, everything down there is just going to destroy organized religion as we know it.

David: Why do you think it would?

Emery: Because they have found tablets and information and intelligence down there that's proving the history of Mars and the Moon and the history of this area of the universe. I'll say this area of the universe.

And they're starting to decipher it now.

So that being brought up would cause, probably, a huge conflict. And that's what they're worried about is us misbehaving because of our religious beliefs.

David: Right. So, it doesn't necessarily mean that Jesus was fake or Moses was fake or Muhammad was fake.

Emery: Oh, no. You're right. All these avatars have lived here and have been here and have been these amazing gods and people.

What's going to happen is, if they did bring up everything, it just . . . Let's just say the stories that are being told are not completely told to the full extent. There's gaps and things that are missing, and this will fill all those gaps.

And it's like an unfinished book with ALL the religions.

David: Wow!

Emery: So this will fill in all those loose gaps, and every one actually will come correct.

But of course, I'm sure some will not. Some maybe won't believe it.

To believe something your entire life and then have an archaeologist bring something up to the surface that says something different, it could cause some turmoil in the world.

David: So you're saying that this massive boulder that was found somewhere in America at an undisclosed location has remains of giants in it.

Emery: Yes, correct.

David: And could you explain a little bit more. You mentioned armor. You mentioned skeletons.

Emery: A lot of skeletons and armor, lots of gold and silver, and the old medieval-type treasure stuff that you would find, lots of coins, lots of pots full of coins.

David: But I thought I also heard you say that you felt like the entire interior of the egg was also stuffed with white gold.

Emery: Yeah. There's about five acres that we determined of powdered white gold in there in a separate section.

David: Oh. So it's not like the whole entire egg is filled with white gold?

Emery: No, just one small section.

David: Cavities that people could use and walk around in?

Emery: Yes, yes, right. And these steps are fairly large steps. They're not just your normal steps – anywhere from 8' to 13'.

David: Wow!

Emery: Coming up and down.

David: So giants for sure – 33'. Right, 8' for a 33' tall being.

Emery: It would be just about right.

David: Would be just about right. Ha, ha.

How clean are the steps? How do they look?

Emery: Well, using the technology we have, they're flawless, kind of like how the pyramids and Machu Picchu was built. Everything is just such a perfect edge.

And that's how we knew. It was like, no way could Earth have created this.

David: Hm. And you're saying that, hypothetically, if you have a submarine, and you know where to go, you could navigate into the Earth and swim right up to this boulder.

Emery: That aquifer, unfortunately, has a small inlet in and a small inlet out. It's just this hollowed area that does hold a lot of water.

So we didn't see any large areas that a submarine could fit into.

David: Oh, okay.

Emery: And that's why we just started from the surface of the Earth and just decided to drill on down, just drill straight down till we hit it, and then worry about it from there.

But the problem was three feet of water, you know, with millions of pounds of pressure.

David: Now, you were describing this very strange idea, which I remember you did have me talk to the scientist who invented this for a while, something about this light that gold emanates that seems to penetrate matter and can be detected by certain people who maybe are psychic. Is it like remote viewing?

Emery: Well, no, it's not like remote viewing. They actually have different cones in their eyes and stuff that can see many different wavelengths of blue and gray light.

So for some reason, they can look across the ocean and see a place that has a large amount of gold, unlike how our treasure hunters today. We don't have that capability.

So we pay off people in the government and use satellites or borrow satellites from corporations to look through the ocean.

But these treasures that are most amazing, unfortunately, are on land, below the land, in land. So it's a different type of treasure hunting now, as you can see.

One of the funny things, some of the treasure hunters that taught me that were very famous . . . I said, “Well, how do you guys always find the gold?” Because not everyone has a chance to use a satellite.

And they said, “Well, if we know of an area that someone says has gold, we'll go down there and scoop up all the seaweed. And then we'll take it home and feed it to all the rats.

“And we'll wait for the rats to poop, and then we'll see the gold. And then we'll go back and take the gold.”

David: Really?

Emery: Yeah.

David: Nuggets in the . . .

Emery: So they'll measure the rat poop using, I think, a spectrometer or something . . . some sort of device. And then they . . .

David: Wow! Very interesting.

Emery: Ha, ha. Isn't that crazy?

David: That stuff you couldn't make up. It's just too weird.

Emery: So anyway, these famous people, these famous treasure hunters that are really great people that were in charge of this – amazing people, loving people, giving people, because they want to give . . . They don't want to keep this treasure. They want to give it back to the world and create things for the world.

David: I want to go out on a limb here and ask you this. I kind of get the sense what you're saying is that maybe there's a certain strain of extraterrestrial DNA that's seeded into human population.

And those people, whether they're aware of it or not, might have a slightly different optical apparatus, slightly different retinal tissue that, if they became aware of what they could do, they could learn that they would see this unusual efflorescence around where a gold deposit is. Is that true?

Emery: It could be. Not only that, but also that somehow, they were downloaded from an extraterrestrial to increase their vision and have an upgrade. We call them “upgrades”.

So there are certain people and very, highly special agents that work at the highest levels that have these special abilities. They use these special abilities for whatever, whoever, they are working for.

What's interesting is, inside that cavern is also some other things that we have found that shows the lineage from where everyone came from. Yeah.

And that's one of the biggest gifts we could have. And it's hard for me to say that.

That's the biggest secret that's down there is the secret to all of us and where we came from and the lineage of our DNA and what it contains and also instructions on how to read that DNA and instructions on how to build stargates and open up portals and things like that.

So it's a plethora of not only religious artifacts and extraterrestrial artifacts, but it's also got a lot of amazing tools in there that we could use.

And maybe we're just not ready for it yet to be opened.

David: So how was this scientist . . . And I understand I might be treading into areas that are talking “out of school”, too classified for you to mention, but I just want to see how close we can get.

Did this scientist, for example, have the ability to see these weird colors himself, or did he find somebody who could?

Was the technology in some way based on the organic function?

Emery: No. He was born this way.

David: Really?

Emery: So he was a gifted person who joined the military and was an amazing remote viewer and became right up at the highest echelon of people to go to when they need to find something, or someone. And he's very well respected amongst his peers.

David: Could you explain . . . just because I'm sure people are going to be really curious about this. I know I am.

If you had those special rods and cones in your eye, what would you see? Would it look like misty fog or exactly what?

Emery: I don't think they . . . No, from what I've gathered, and this is second-hand information, that they see just like we do.

However, if they're looking, of course, for something, it's just off just like one small frequency of light. It just means maybe your shirt . . . I can see many blues in it, a couple of different blues because of the dyes. They didn't dye it correctly.

Now, a normal person would just see a blue shirt, but I would see maybe a couple of strands of cotton there, or Rayon, that was a little different.

So it's not throwing them off tremendously.

David: So are you saying that the number of different unique colors . . .

Emery: Right.

David: . . . that these people can see is more than average?

Emery: Yes, absolutely.

David: By how much?

Emery: Well, I know they can see up to 10 different wavelengths of just one color. And I've heard of 20.

David: Wow!

Emery: So that's a lot to break down one color. And that's, like I told you, that was second-hand information.

David: So you're saying that there would be some . . . that they can still somehow detect things that would be underground, like a gold vein underground?

Emery: Because of the flora and the plants and the rocks . . .

David: Oh!

Emery: . . . all emanate from the gold reservoir down there. It seeps up and gives it this special energy. And this energy is then emanated into the atmosphere, kind of like orgonite can control things in the sky, the energy that it gives off.

David: Well, that's one of the things that's so interesting is this idea of Wilhelm Reich, when he was working with orgone energy, apparently started to develop a bluing of his skin.

Emery: Hm!

David: And he often associated orgone energy with a bluish light.

Emery: Ha, ha.

David: In fact, I have multiple episodes on this in “Wisdom Teachings”, my other show, where he's finding life spontaneously forming with what he calls bions.

And the bions appear as these little blue corpuscles that seemingly come out of nothing and then coalesce into proteins and biological matter.

Emery: Sure.

David: So if that is the essence of life, then is there some connection between gold and biological life?

Emery: Well, it's not just gold. Orbitally rearranged monatomic elements is what you want to look at.

You want to look at the elements that we're made up of when we are brought into this world as a baby.

We never get those elements ever again from our food or our water. These are palladium and rhodium and iridium, you know, and all these different types of elements that are the trace elements that we need in our DNA to evolve.

David: Right.

Emery: So, of course, there's many places that make ORMEs. You know, you've got to be careful.

David: Well, I remember hearing that rhodium . . . If you capped the DNA molecule with rhodium, it becomes far more electrically conductive than . . .

Emery: Absolutely.

David: Right.

Emery: So I'm a big, strong believer in ORMEs. I take it pretty much every day, zeolite too. These things help with aligning the DNA for it to work correctly with the right voltage.

If it's not the right voltage, we can't really fix ourselves. If it's not the right voltage, we can't evolve beyond where we're at now.

David: Let me just point this out too, which is that the research I've done into what you're calling ORMEs, or orbitally rearranged monatomic elements, is that they are actually what some scientists call microclusters, meaning that, if you allow atoms to come out of a nozzle one at a time, they will preferentially cluster into these beautiful geometric, sacred geometry patterns, three-dimensional patterns like a cube, octahedron, dodecahedron, icosahedron.

And the molecules will actually form into that. And somehow, once it has that structure, it's much more electrically resistant on the outside, conductive on the inside, much harder, much more resistant to temperature, to wear.

It has all these amazing qualities, and it seems to nourish the body.

So why do you think the sacred geometry connection is so important?

Emery: Because that's what we are made up of. That is THE smallest particles beyond the electron that we are made up of that allows us to actually, in some point in time, transdimensionally travel.

David: So you would confirm then, that part of the classified science is that when you get down to the real ground state of matter, that it is sacred geometry?

Emery: Absolutely, yes.

David: Right. Could you give me any further specifics of any briefing you might have had on that? What were you told exactly?

Emery: Well, we were dealing a lot with magnetic energy and magnets and permanent magnets and trying to do a lot of things with magnets and change the flux field, the north and south polarities.

And then using special equipment, zoom in after we changed these different shapes of magnets, not your normal north-south cube magnet, and change these angles, and then zoom in there and see: what is going on at that level of these two magnetic, permanent magnetic, energies coming together with different flux fields at different angles.

David: Hm.

Emery: And at that level, which has not been completed, is these shapes.

David: Geometries. Wow!

Emery: These sacred geometries.

David: Yeah.

Emery: So they believe by changing flux fields, they can actually open up portals. They can open up different energy for our DNA. They can help us heal. A lot of different things can happen.

But, you know, that's still in that state of it's not been proven.

David: You said before something to the effect of . . . that you feel perhaps higher-level extraterrestrials still have us under some kind of quarantine or management of some kind, that even if we got all this technology, it's not like we could necessarily just do whatever we want. Could you explain that a little more?

Emery: Well, I mean, the extraterrestrials, they're not going to just come on down here and give us everything for free, because we have to evolve on our own . . . you know, our own consciousness and treat each other well and not cut each other's heads off and behave.

David: Right.

Emery: And then everyone always asks me about the evil aliens.

And I'm like, “Yeah! There's evil aliens. And there's good and bad aliens and all this.”

And they're like, “What are the BAD ones like?”

I said, “Just go in the bathroom and look in the mirror.”

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: “Why is that?”

I said, “Because we're killing each other. We're not supposed to be killing each other.”

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: Ha, ha. Even though that's a control thing. You know, we're being controlled to do these things.

So that being said, because of our misbehaving sometimes, you know . . . And they were here before, too. They were like us. They evolved from out of what we are now, too.

And they have come back from the past, you know, Rendlesham Forest. They've come back from the past to visit and come out of that pyramid . . .

. . . and witnessed by what, 33, over 100 people, I think, or 33 people.

David: Yeah.

Emery: And the message was, “Stop what you're doing with all these nukes, because we're your children's children's children's children's children's children. And if you keep doing this, we're not going to exist, . . .

David: Wow!

Emery: . . . which is interesting because that means there's no time. And now you're going to be like getting screwed around in your head thinking about that.

But basically, there IS no time. And time is just something that we made up to survive here in the 3D. And there's many other different dimensions.

And we're learning how to travel interdimensionally safely.

David: What might some of the limitations be that certain ETs would impose on us right now that would restrict our total freedom?

Like, what would be some of the things that if we tried to do it that we wouldn't succeed, or that we would be blocked?

Emery: Yeah, I think if we try to destroy more than 75% of the population of the Earth, they will intervene.

I think if we try to poison the Earth permanently, let's say through Fukushima or our own accident, they will intervene.

So I think it's things like this where, if it's going to be a complete, mass de-populization, or we're really killing more than 75% of humans or animals on the planet, including the oceans, that there will be definite intervention.

Of course, if any type of nuclear missile or backpack, or whatever it is, is activated that would destroy more than 75% of the population of the Earth, they will intervene.

So not to say one would, but all it takes is one of those to go off and contaminate the atmosphere, and we're going to have a rough 50 years.

David: Well, it also seems like there's a lot of other people living here besides us, maybe not on the surface, but they're definitely here.

Emery: That's right.

David: And they don't want THEIR land to be damaged either.

Emery: That is correct, yes. So there's other extraterrestrial beings that live within the Earth. There's also ancient beings that have lived here forever, not extraterrestrial, but they've just been here, probably since the dawn of time, the Inner Earth beings.

And that's something we could talk about on a different show.

David: Sure. Now, when you mentioned these traversable aquifers under the oceans, or under the continents, one of the things I was reminded of was a briefing that Corey got, something he actually saw, which was these massive halls, kind of flat on the bottom, rounded off at the top, VERY, very large, underwater, that you could actually sail a submarine through . . .

. . . and that they were very straight and went over very long distances, and that apparently, some of our guys used one of those to get to Antarctica from further up north.

I'm wondering if you've heard about buildouts of tunnels?

Emery: Yes. They're man-made though. They are not . . . They weren't made by the Earth.

David: Well, they are ancient though. They're not made by OUR humans, right, because that's Corey's . . .

Emery: Right. That's what I'm saying.

David: Okay.

Emery: Yeah.

David: Yeah.

Emery: Yeah, there's . . .

David: That's what he meant, yeah.

Emery: There's caverns that they've found in North America and Mexico that go straight through the Earth towards Antarctica.

And those caverns have been modified. I don't know by who or when, but they've been modified into lava tubes, like perfect, large, football field-size tubes that these submarines and other modes of transportation . . . very high-speed by the way, in these waterways. It's its own traffic.

That does go not only to Antarctica but all the way back around.

David: Back around to where?

Emery: To the same spot.

David: To the Americas?

Emery: Yeah.

David: Hm.

Emery: Without getting near the core.

David: Do they have any idea when they were built or by who?

Emery: I don't know the history of it. I just know they exist, through satellite imagery and through radar and through briefings.

David: And these tunnels that are the larger ones that go to Antarctica, are they all submerged in water, or are some of them just voids that are in the land that have air?

Emery: They are small parts of tunnels that go to cavern to cavern to cavern, but they all are connected to a cavern . . .

David: Oh!

Emery: . . . and they are all full of water.

David: Oh!

Emery: Yep.

David: And the caverns are full of water too?

Emery: Yes.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes. Yeah, it's a giant aquifer, like I was telling you, that's connected. And I think because of these tunnels, that there's been infiltration to all the aquifers of the planet.

David: One of the briefings I got from Pete Peterson recently was that some elements of the Alliance are worried about the habitability of the surface of the Earth, and that they've started pumping out some of these very large caverns underground to be able to have more space for people when they will need it, and that one of the side effects has been that all these weird creatures that shouldn't exist are washing up on the shoreline.

And I'm wondering if you've heard anything about that particular plan or that operation?

Emery: I do know about the build-out of caverns, 100%. That's true.

And the pumping out of these caverns and sealing them off, that's true.

As far as the beings coming up from Inner Earth, or something like that, I don't doubt it, because there are inner atmospheres in the Earth with their own lifeforms that have never been discovered or told to the population.

So it's very possible that, in a cavern that has its own spring, that one of these things came up from its own world and then made it to the surface.

David: Right.

Emery: And not only that, every day, they're discovering in the oceans a new form of plankton and bacteria and things like that. Like, every day, they've made discoveries. And every day we're also having a loss of life of different species.

So it's interesting that right now, especially the things that are coming down from space, . . . You know, we have these giant satellites in space that just collect. It's like a giant air filter. And they send these things up, and they come back down.

Or they will send the weather balloons up, and they get all filled up. And they have these amazing new bacteria that's never published . . .

David: Very cool.

Emery: . . . that is from space. And just like we were talking about that water bear guy . . . What's that guy called?

David: Tardigrade.

Emery: Tardigrade. They live in the vacuum of space, and they come back and they're fine.

David: Still alive.

Emery: These are amazing things. And I was part of some of those projects, too, where they were trying to find out how we could be like that.

David: Right.

Emery: I'd rather keep the body.

David: Ha, ha.

Emery: Ha, ha.

David: Well, even though you said there's no time, we are out of time in this episode

Emery: Oh, okay.

David: So come back next time.

Emery: All right. Well, thanks for having me.

David: Thank you. And thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, here with Emery Smith.

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Cosmic Disclosure: Confirming Underground Civilizations

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, here with Emery Smith. And in this episode, we're going to start talking about underground civilizations.

Emery, welcome back to the show.

Emery Smith: Thank you, David. Glad to be here.

David: In the past, you've talked to me about a very interesting technology that apparently can see quite a bit more below the surface of the Earth than what our conventional scientists would think is possible. So could you talk a little bit about that first?

Emery: Yes, sure. I mean, it all started using satellites, of course, looking into the oceans.

Of course, the astronauts also while orbiting, would look into the oceans and see these crashed, old wreckages and ships that they knew, of course, had a lot of gold in them.

And treasure hunters also started dealing with the inside governments to buy time on these amazing satellites that could see these things.

David: So this is not something that conventional people have access to?

Emery: No.

David: This is an insider thing?

Emery: It's an insider thing. There are a couple of organizations that DO own satellites, or private corporations that use them for looking into walls to see if they're infested, in foreign countries, with, like, insects and bugs, believe it or not.

So they can see, actually, inside a wall from a satellite and see what kind of bug it is and tell you what kind of bug it is.

So that has now been advanced to look into the ground, a little bit.

David: Hm.

Emery: But they HAVE developed a special radar, now. It's a ground penetrating, low frequency, back-scattered wave pattern device, which gives you a volumetric image that's about 400 times better than a CAT scan.

So you can actually see what it is, and you can also tell what type of material it is, which is very helpful.

Let's say in Saudi Arabia, for the kings there, if they have a backpack bomber running down their driveway, they could just basically fly the drone over it or shoot the wave at them, and they know how much explosives he has in his backpack before he even, you know, gets near the compound.

David: Wow!

Emery: So this type of device has been used by the military and for the DoD [Department of Defense].

I can't say who has this or, you know . . . but it is privately owned.

David: One question, real quick. So we have the periodic table of the elements. We're up to 120 something.

Emery: Right.

David: Are there certain elements that you can't see with this? Or how does that work?

Emery: If it's not elements that have already been discovered, you will not know what is . . . the wave that comes back will be unknown, or unknown from Earth.

David: Right. But as far as the rest of the periodic . . .

Emery: Everything is logged into this.

David: Really?

Emery: Like a Rife machine with frequencies, they have done the same thing with this device.

David: Wow!

Emery: So they have measured EVERY type of element that there is and have measured how that frequency comes back.

That's why they can build, not only a volumetric image, but actually tell you exactly what it is.

A good . . . One of the great things about this device is: I can put it on a drone, fly out to an oil tanker – and this is the test we did – and in one of those giant tankers that holds hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil, we could put a small amount of uranium inside a sealed box, inside a 55-gallon oil drum, drop it to the bottom of this tanker, and fly this drone over 10 miles before it even gets into port, and it will tell you exactly where that uranium is, and what it is, and where on the ship it is.

David: Wow!

Emery: It's THAT detailed. So it's a very amazing, useful, protective thing we have, that I hope many people listen to this . . . and I hope the, you know, . . . POTUS kind of knows about it, but doesn't know about it kind of thing.

David: Uh-huh.

Emery: And I think this would help him in the fight against terror, because this way it will scan everything, and you will know everything before it even happens.

David: Wow!

Emery: It's a very . . . So when we were hired, my team, to go out to look for, in an undisclosed location of the United States of America, to go remote view an area that has been known – it has been getting these hits of a possible gold reservoir – we went out and met with these scientists and this amazing team. And they were looking for a special treasure, I'll say. And I can get into that later, but the thing is, they were looking for a special treasure.

They hired a colleague, a couple colleagues of mine, and myself, to go out there and to first lay the flags on the mountain where WE thought it was.

And we were . . .

David: Yeah, and let me just say, Emery, that for . . . You folks watching this don't know this, but you and I do. I actually got to talk to your team.

Emery: Right.

David: So this was not just something that I'm hearing from you now.

Emery: That's true.

David: And it was something we were very involved in for a while.

Emery: Yes, you were. Yes, absolutely.

So what had happened is: we went out there, we laid down the flags, they ran this special radar over it, and we were 99.9% effective. So we . . .

David: In what?

Emery: In finding out where the gold was at.

David: So there was a large amount of gold . . .

Emery: A large amount of gold. They were after . . . these treasure hunters that were working with the government, I believe. Maybe, maybe not.

David: Right.

Emery: That's a speculation. So . . .

David: But the really cool part of the story . . .

Emery: The really cool part of the story is a scientist called me in that developed this system – an amazing person – and my team in, and sat us down, a few of us, and said . . . you know, showed us this giant void underneath the Earth where . . . way deep below the gold.

And we were like, “Well, what's this giant hollow space here? And what is that giant pyramid?”

And he said, “How did you . . . How did you know about that? How did you . . . Did you go through my files?”

I said, “No, but we saw it when we remote viewed it.”

And I said, “Well, why didn't you write that in your report?”

He says, “Because it came back unknown elements, and I'm only out here to do one thing, and that's to find . . . to confirm the gold.”

David: Oh, my goodness.

Emery: And I said, “This is the most amazing, groundbreaking thing on the planet.”

And he's like, “Yeah, well, with my device, I can see all the way through the Earth and see everything in the Earth. So just think what I have already seen, and what am I going to do with this information?”

This was the same technology they used to find the tunnels in Mexico that were coming through the borders. They used THIS technology.

And the Mexican cartel actually put a hit out for this man because they found out, because the government was already infiltrated as well.

So even though he saved U.S. . . . You know, bless this man that he had helped and came to the forefront and saved U.S. with his technology. He also almost got killed for it.

So we found not only that, but we also found a lot of other interesting things.

And the pyramids there were like 10 times the size of Giza.

David: Wow!

Emery: So it was a very big void, here, in North America. Yeah. A very large, large area, and a large aquifer kind of surrounding it.

David: Hm.

Emery: And its own atmosphere. And he can measure atmospheric pressure, too, which was interesting. So with this device, he can do so many different things.

So there are civilizations, I can confirm, that have their own atmosphere, their own luminescence, their own life, and their own water supply, that are deep within the Earth.

David: Well, you also had mentioned to me, when we talked about this before, that there were some, I believe, cubicle rooms that you guys found, that didn't have any entrances or exits.

Emery: That was the very interesting thing. The back-scatter radar, low-frequency radar, actually showed cubes – these giant cubed rooms and small cubed rooms of emptiness – that were perfectly cut.

We measure using . . . We can measure exactly to the millimeter how big these rooms are, and how small they are, and they were cut like perfect cubes.

And this bedrock . . . We're talking about 1,000 feet down to 3,500 feet down. And it's like, how on Earth are these cubes down there, you know, near this area, by the way?

And maybe there IS something inside those cubes, but we don't have the technology to see it or to analyze it, because it just comes back as unknown.

And one of the elements that we discovered – that is why we were called in – and some of the things they found down there was a huge reservoir of pure white gold.

David: Oh, wow!

Emery: White gold, not meaning the gold that is mixed with metal today, like white gold on your chains. We're talking about from ancient civilization, white gold, the powder, you know, the manna. The manna that you hear about.

David: Right. And you had said, when we were talking about the smart suits, that there was a white gold fuel that would create antigravity in the smart suit.

Emery: That is correct.

David: Is it the same type of stuff?

Emery: Yeah. And it was interesting, because the government . . .

David: I mean, this was very fascinating.

Emery: . . . the government moved right in and bought pretty much all the property up until this part of this land, which is a really great confirmation.

David: Right.

Emery: You know.

David: I also remember you showing me some of the volumetric imaging of what clearly appeared to be a stairwell that had been back-filled.

Emery: Yes.

David: So could you talk about that?

Emery: Yes, we found giant stairwells underneath the ground in these giant, huge voids. We're talking hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of acres that go on for thousands of miles. And these are not just caverns.

They're caverns, but they're also something different about them, because there are certain parts of the caverns that you can't make it up, where there's actual steps, you know, steps going thousands of feet down – perfect steps.

David: Right.

Emery: And we did find the outlines of craft and also a large sarcophagi.

David: So do you think these were giant humans of some kind?

Emery: Yes. They are about 30'~33' tall.

David: Wow!

Emery: Yes.

David: So, that's the older stuff, for sure.

Emery: Yes. But we did find something on the radar that was really cool, too, and that was in the middle of the aquifer was a large, large rock that did not look like it was connected to the mainland. And it was just there. And I'm talking a few miles, you know, this . . . Imagine water going over the boulder . . .

David: Like a boulder, a massive boulder?

Emery: . . . right, and the boulder was hollow and did have a type of ruins in it.

David: Oh, wow.

Emery: Right. And one of the reasons that we needed the suits was actually to drill and then go through the aquifer with the suits and then drill into that. But the problem is we didn't want to flood it.

We couldn't find out a way how not to flood the giant egg, because that would wash away all the white gold.

David: The white gold was inside the egg?

Emery: In that egg, yes.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes.

David: And it was all submerged?

Emery: Yes.

David: So how would your smart suit help you to get into the egg? Could you just bore through it with the suit or something?

Emery: Yeah, there's a way that you could bring equipment and bore through it, but you couldn't . . . The thing is we wanted to find out if there was an air cavity somewhere around it, because for some reason, we couldn't find that.

So . . . But there was a part of the rock that was close to the surface of Earth that was touching. So we figured, you know . . . and once we did drill through, water started coming out. And it was only three feet to the giant rock.

So you have billions of pounds of water coming through this little hole you just dug down deep into the Earth to get into this egg.

And now you have three feet preventing you from getting into the egg. So how do you . . .

So what we decided was: let's bring down billions of gallons of liquid nitrogen, freeze that part of the aquifer, then drill through it, and then go in.

David: Oh! Do you think this egg was actually, maybe, some kind of hollowed out asteroid, and they could have phase shifted it and landed it inside the Earth?

Emery: I think that at one time it was an asteroid, and that somehow it was formed to the Earth, probably through molten lava or something.

And over millions of . . . just over years, the water somehow broke it off from the Earth. And now it's just kind of in this area surrounded by three feet of water.

And we're talking about a very highly pressurized area.

David: Now wait a minute. An asteroid would have come from the Solar System. So are you saying you think it formed in the Earth?

Emery: Well, I think it came a long time ago. People found this as a safe haven.

David: Oh, it was a crashed asteroid to the Earth, . . .

Emery: Right. Right.

David: . . . from ancient times, and it's a massive boulder, basically, inside the Earth that they found and could hollow out.

Emery: Right. It was probably . . . It could have . . . Right. They probably hollowed it out, or it could have been hollowed out. And then for hundreds and hundreds or thousands of years, people were just putting their treasures in there and their safe stuff, through a very long time.

David: Wow!

Emery: And then, I think now, it's just a . . . Earth itself has just consolidated it in a place where it's very, very difficult to get to.

David: I mean, you're being sort of intriguingly vague when you say “ruins” and “civilization”. Could you be a little more specific about what's inside the egg? What does it look like? What would we see if we got to ever see this some day?

Emery: Well, in that egg are those steps that we talked about.

David: Oh!

Emery: So we do have the volumetric imaging for that.

David: Wow!

Emery: So there are steps leading down into this giant cavity. And the problem is the water getting in there.

Now to get into more of what is exactly in there, I already told you there is a craft. There's a sarcophagi. And that's what I was talking about was this cavity.

David: Okay. And this was some kind of race of giants, then?

Emery: Yeah, at one time.

David: Right.

Emery: But over time, I think, people thought this was a special place.

And also inside this giant asteroid, or whatever it is, . . . I'm not sure if it's an asteroid, just so you know, because when the back-scatter things come back, we get a lot of different minerals there and different things. And we didn't see a huge amount of iron, but it's just weird that this thing is a giant, hollowed out rock in the middle of the aquifer.

David: Yeah.

Emery: It's kind of just intriguing. This is just speculation that it is an asteroid . . .

David: Right.

Emery: . . . we think, maybe, maybe not.

And so inside this, we have seen many remains of humans – over 300 remains of humans.

David: Wow!

Emery: We have seen also armor. We've seen, of course, caches of gold the world's largest barge could not even hold.

David: Wow!

Emery: To the side of this giant area, which is very high, as well, . . . Inside it's split up. So it's not just like one big giant area. You have other areas.

Like I said, the cubes, also, are around the outside of that and on the inside of this thing. So there's solid parts inside this egg. Let's call it “the Egg”.

And inside that are many different types of tunnels, and hollowed out areas, and pyramids, and sarcophagi, and craft, and other things.

David: Is there anything unusual about the skeletons besides maybe their size?

Emery: Well, the armor and the pots that we have seen full of gold are the same ones they've used back around the Knights Templar era.

David: Really?

Emery: So we have a good feeling that this is where possibly the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail and 1,700 tablets, stone tablets, are there.

David: So you think it's possible that the Knight Templar people might have known about this, perhaps, through who knows what – ancient texts or surviving extraterrestrials they were in contact with – they actually . . .

Emery: Well, I can tell you how they knew about it.

David: How did they know?

Emery: There is a small percentage of humans who can see in a special blue light spectrum. And for some reason, this gold emanates through the Earth and foliage, and they can see this hue. They have this special ability.

You could probably . . . I've never read about it online. I've just been debriefed about it in the military.

And people like this are used to find huge gold reservoirs and also do other things around the world to help America and keep it safe.

And they have, through satellites, found a ping in this particular area of North America. And back then, the Indians and the people over . . . even if you are in Europe, and they could see over the horizon this blue exact hue. So they would sail all the way to this place, find the gold, get the gold, and they were very successful.

So they kept going, and, finally, they landed in Corpus Christi, one of the ships from the Knights Templar.

We believe that they trekked in somewhere up into North America, which I can't disclose, and then buried it in this area that already had the world's largest gold reservoir, . . .

David: Oh, wow!

Emery: . . . because they thought this would be the safest place.

David: Very interesting.

Emery: Because they were worried that during the war, that they better move . . . the Sinclair family took all the money and helped pay for the ships, and the Templars helped them.

And the Templars stayed to protect the gold till death.

David: One of the other things I've heard that I think is really important to bring up right now is: several insiders have talked about the Sahara Desert, the northern third of Africa.

And it's all a big desert now, but they have all said that if you go anywhere between 40 to 400 feet down in that sand, that it is just amazing, and it's everywhere – massive ruins of a civilization.

Emery: Ruins. Uh-huh.

David: Have you heard about this?

Emery: I have heard about this.

David: Okay. What do you know about it?

Emery: All I know is they did that with a ground penetrating radar from a satellite. It was very simple because it wasn't deep.

And things that are not too deep, they can actually see through a certain amount, especially sand. It's harder with bedrock.

There ARE some anomalies right there that have exactly what you just said.

I heard that . . . That's not second-hand information. I overheard that while I was in a briefing that had to do with something else over in that country.

David: How prevalent do you think these voids of cubicle rooms are? Like, you only looked at one place. Do you think that most of the places we look, we might find that kind of stuff?

Emery: I think this is a significant area. And just so you know, this IS hundreds and hundreds of square miles of area that we have checked out. It's not just like one certain area. But that's a very small part of the planet, is what I'm getting at.

David: Okay.

Emery: And there was significant enough data there to prove that there was a civilization there, and it is connected to other civilizations and other tunnels, and that the major aquifers underground are all connected, which is very scary, which we NEVER did know about.

So if the water does get contaminated, let's say in Wisconsin, or in North Dakota, South Dakota, eventually over many, many, many, many years, all of it could be contaminated.

So there is an underwater system of travel, as well, . . .

David: Right.

Emery: . . . that links all these things.

David: We've heard from certain insiders that there is a traversable underwater channel that can go from the west coast of the United States all the way to Nebraska, and that there's a significant military base there, and that's part of how they access it, is underwater.

Emery: Oh, yes. That's true. I mean, the military's been going from the east and west coast using the aquifers for a very long time.

David: Really?

Emery: Yes.

David: Wow!

Emery: I like the Naval sea base that's in the middle of Nevada there. What's that one called you drive by on the way to Vegas, or whatever?

David: Yeah. John Lear said that was a submarine repair base.

Emery: Yes, yes. I know the Lear family. It's absolutely true.

And it's like a stopping station, and it does go all the way across. I don't have the map for that, but I definitely 100% know it goes all the way across, because there was a secret study done using special dyes that they used. And that's some . . . A group went in there, a private organization, and tainted the water, and the water off San Diego, with these special molecules – very organic; couldn't hurt anything.

And then it was about a few weeks later they did collect them in the Atlantic Ocean.

So it's definitely . . . has a . . . some sort of a throughway through that entire place.

David: Would you say that even people serving on like a nuclear sub might be using these routinely?

Emery: Yes, I believe so. And also a lot of clandestine stuff is . . . that are being used for.

And there's bases, also, on the way, there that are underground.

David: Now, I want to get into this a little bit because you had some really interesting stuff to say about how this weird technology was first developed.

Emery: The technology we were talking about earlier with a low-frequency ground penetrating radar also can be used . . . you know, it can actually be fit inside an iPhone.

David: Really?

Emery: And you can place this on your hand or on your chest, and it'll show you your hand. And you can zoom in all the way to the actual cell and say, “All right. I have three cells here next to him. This one's metastatic. I mean, this is a cancer cell. This is a tissue cell,” and then zap it.

And now you've just cured yourself of cancer.

So it's that . . . the resolution on this device is THAT amazing.

David: Hm!

Emery: So you can actually just put it on your hand and then zoom right in to the cell itself and move around.

David: Wow! That's great.

Emery: It is beautiful – the most beautiful technology ever. And it's available. It's just sitting there.

I'm hoping that this talk will inspire the inventor and POTUS to step up on that, because not only is it a great security thing for the world, but it's also a good thing for health. It's an amazing, beautiful thing to help . . . You could heal yourself.

David: And I assume that this . . . whatever energy it uses, is not radioactive or harmful?

Emery: No, it's not. Correct.

David: Wow!

Emery: Yes.

David: Now, I think you had me on the phone with the inventor at one point, . . .

Emery: Yes.

David: . . . and he just about screwed my head off explaining how this technology got developed in the first place – the essence of metals or materials in the periodic table, and how it sees that.

Do you remember any of that stuff . . . what he said, because I'm having trouble remembering? It was a very complex technical discussion.

Emery: Yeah, I mean, there's only, as far as I know, one, two, three people, including me, that know how the system operates and actually works. And I'm not at liberty to really talk about that out loud, . . .

David: Okay.

Emery: . . . for many reasons, also safety for everyone else on the planet. If it gets in the wrong hands, too, you have to be careful.

So it's just like other amazing energy devices and stuff, and portals, and antigrav, and stuff. Everything comes with also a risk, and this inventor knows that very well.

And this inventor was saved from another country and is now a U.S. citizen and wants to help U.S. first, . . .

David: Yeah.

Emery: . . . and protect U.S. and protect him and his family. And he's . . . The poor guy has been through heck, of course.

But like I said, the only thing I can tell you is it uses a very, very low frequency – back-scattered wave, we call it – pattern.

David: Right.

Emery: And it shoots back these algorithms. And then he's the only one that has the program. And only two other people that I know . . .

David: Yeah. I remember you telling me something funny about how . . . like, the government has to come to him . . .

Emery: Yeah.

David: . . . because he's the only guy that has it. So could you talk a little bit about how . . . what was his relationship with the government as the inventor of this technology?

Emery: They're very upset that they will not . . . that he will not sell this invention, because he is waiting for the Cabal to be destroyed before giving it to POTUS or giving it to the right hands. Because he is worried that we're still not stable yet.

So he's VERY aware that we're still children and not . . . wouldn't be able to handle this.

But he DID use it for the Mexican tunnels and some other amazing clandestine projects to protect America.

And there's a lot of things going on that people don't realize . . . inside information, like backpack nuclear bombs, you know, coming up through Mexico, and things like that.

This product would immediately be able to pinpoint these things hundreds of miles before they even get here, and so we could take precautionary methods that these nukes and things do not make it through our borders.

And that's what the team and the military and POTUS are working on. And they're not allowed to talk about that, because they don't want to scare the American people – you know, why he's building a wall, or who is doing . . . why is the military out to sea at this area?

And it's hard for them to bring this to the people because if the enemy knows that you know, then they're going to change everything around.

It's at a level now where it's just who you know, and what the device is going to be used for.

As you know, this scientist has no interest in billions of dollars. He's more worried about the safety of the United States citizens.

David: Right.

Emery: And he wants to make sure when he does turn this over, that . . . and he has to be there at every shooting, you know, every . . . When we scan the ground, he has to be the one doing it, of course.

David: All right. Well, there's so many questions here. So we'll have to pick this up again next time.

Thank you, Emery. And thank you for watching. I'm David Wilcock. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”, with our special guest, Emery Smith.







Cosmic Disclosure: Briefings with a New Alliance

David Wilcock: Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. I'm here with Corey Goode. And in this episode, we're going to discuss the fascinating return of the Secret Space Program Alliance [SSP Alliance].

Corey, welcome back.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So let's take it forward then from what you had here in our previous episode. What is the next noteworthy thing that happens to you after this awesome series of visitations that you experienced?

Corey: Typically, after I have an experience like that, I spend days just sitting and staring at the wall trying to process it all.

I was kind of going through that process when I was informed that I was going to have a meeting with Gonzales and the SSP Alliance on the LOC [Lunar Operation Command].

David: Oh!

Corey: And, if you remember, they had been keeping their head pretty low for a while, and they had gone through the trouble to make me feel responsible for the near collapse of the SSP Alliance.

If you remember, Sigmund was picking me up and chemically interrogating me to find out what was going on because he was a part of the MIC Secret Space Program [Military-Industrial Complex SSP] . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . and didn't believe any of this other stuff was going on. He just didn't believe it.

David: Yeah.

Corey: And then once he did his investigation, he found out that it WAS real, and he started causing problems, and then he just disappeared off the face of the Earth.

David: So how did it feel when you heard that the SSP Alliance is reforming?

Corey: I was a bit nervous. I didn't know what to expect.

I knew that they were going to want a full briefing of all the different things I'd encountered.

David: Right.

Corey: So I was really still processing those. I wasn't really in a place to give a briefing, but I was going to have to, anyway.

David: So this is right around the time that you had, kind of, moved in to your new place and had been able to settle down.

Was there any relationship between that move and some of the things that started to happen to you at this point?

Corey: Well, very quickly after I moved in, in October, I took my son around and did some “trick or treating” [Halloween evening] to kind of gather a little intel on neighbors.

And the people directly across the street from me, the man and the woman, both, were retired CIA. They were geologists that did some sort of satellite interpretation, you know, for the CIA.

David: Retired CIA.

Corey: Yeah.

David: Right across the street!

Corey: Right. And then . . .

David: That's petty crazy.

Corey: . . . he started telling me, “Yeah, the lady next to you retired from NOAA . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.”

David: Yeah.

Corey: “The person over there is retired military. This whole area . . . there are a lot of retired Air Force and intelligence assets.”

And that freaked me out. And I brought that up to Gonzales the next time.

And he told me that indeed that was true, and that all around my neighborhood, they had installed all types of very sensitive detection devices that would detect any type of electrical change in the atmosphere – any types of changes.

David: Well, who is “they”?

Corey: Military intelligence. They were trying to figure out what was going on with me.

David: Okay. So does that include trying to catch something happening to you like the Blue Sphere picking you up [Corey nods his head “yes”.], or the Darts landing [Darts are small craft used by the SSP Alliance]?

Corey: Or me being teleported out. When that occurs, there's some sort of weird energetic signature that they are able to track with these devices.

Also, if any craft were to come and pick me up, they would be able to gather telemetry on the craft.

David: Well, some of the things that you and I have discussed privately have made me pretty compelled in thinking that the Earth Alliance is now taking you a lot more seriously than they were.

Corey: Yes.

David: And would you agree with that?

Corey: A lot more seriously, but they're very skeptical of anything involved with the Secret Space Program.

David: Do you think, though, that they are starting to feel more compelled based on certain things that they've acquired?

Corey: Yes. And they were also trying to figure out how a guy who was talking about 8'-tall blue bird aliens was also coming out with all of this very accurate intel about what was going on in the MIC Secret Space Program.

David: Do you think, or do you know, if those devices that they've installed have actually hit pay dirt and gotten them something that they find very amazing?

Corey: I don't know, because I was told the day of this meeting I needed to leave my home and drive to a local school and be prepared to be picked up in a football field.

David: Wow!

Corey: And that's exactly what happened. It was around 2:00 am. in the morning. I got dressed, got in my car and left.

And I parked and waited for about 20 minutes beside this school, and sure enough, I saw . . . off in the distance, I saw a flash. And the it flashed again and it stayed on. It was like a white orb up in the sky.

And it was descending very rapidly and then started moving towards me and getting a little bit bigger.

And then as it got probably a quarter mile away, it was like the light popped like a bubble. If you blow a bubble and pop it.

David: Oh, that must have been so cool.

Corey: Yeah, it was very cool. It popped and there was a Dart craft . . .

David: Really!

Corey: . . . that I had ridden in before.

David: About the size of a regular car like you would see?

Corey: Yes. About the size of a . . . a little bit bigger than an SUV.

David: Right. Wow!

Corey: It came and it landed. I had quite a distance to hoof. It wasn't real close to my car. But I'm looking all around, looking for any types of cars or aircraft lying around and it was just dead still.

I sit in and they tell me, “Sit back; buckle up. We're headed to the LOC”.

We lift off, and I see the Moon as we're headed towards it. And the Moon looks about like this big [Corey makes a circle shape with his fingers of both hands touching each other.], and then all of a sudden – Whew!

I mean, it grew so quickly, so fast, that it looked like we were going to smash into it.

David: Did you have a feeling of motion?

Corey: Kind of a feeling of motion. I mean, you see the Moon and all of a sudden, the Moon looks like it grows just super fast. “Vrooooo!” And then, all of a sudden, you're like . . . you can't see the circumference of the Moon anymore. You're so close.

They flew back around the back side of the Moon.

And we did two or three flyovers of the crater that the LOC is in, except we couldn't see it.

They had the masking technology activated.

David: Oh, wow!

Corey: So it just looked like a crater. I mean, you couldn't even see the secondary crater, the hole in the bottom of the crater. It was all covered up.

David: Was there anything kind of glitchy about it, or did it look really clean?

Corey: It looked really clean.

David: Wow!

Corey: I was told that it had kind of a mirage effect, but it looked pretty clean to me.

David: Wow!

Corey: And so they were communicating, getting permission to land, and then the masking was turned off and I could see the base.

And I could see green lights, red lights, white lights, some flashing, some stationary.

And we flew around, up and over, and down in this secondary crater hole that's in the middle of this crater that the LOC is in.

And we flew down through it . . .

David: So the crater was just open?

Corey: Yeah. It's just a hole.

David: A chute?

Corey: It's kind of a hole that goes down, almost like a sinkhole, . . .

David: Okay.

Corey: . . . then it opens up into a lava tube cavern.

David: But was there a lunar surface looking underneath it so that if you didn't actually get really close, it would just look like a crater?

Corey: No, it just looked dark.

David: Right. Okay.

Corey: Dark, like a hole. We head into that and immediately, I see the part of the LOC I've seen before, the part that's kind of like a bell shape going down into the rock.

David: There's a cavern around the bell shape?

Corey: Yeah, it's a cavern that the bell shape was built into.

David: Oh!

Corey: Like the middle. It looked like it went all the way through, and then the bell shape was built that kind of blocked it.

David: Interesting. Okay.

Corey: There were two main hangar ports. One was for exiting craft. One is for entering craft.

We entered in. We went and landed in one of the areas to where we disembarked. The pilots immediately went down some stairs, and Gonzales greeted me.

He was wearing an Air Force dress uniform.

David: Hm.

Corey: And I looked at him, and I said, “We're back to that old charade, huh?”

And he got a look on his face like, “Shut up! Shut up!” You know? So, I kind of . . .

David: Why would the Air Force be a charade?

Corey: Because he was Navy.

David: Oh!

Corey: And he, throughout the Secret Space Program Alliance, he was pretending to be Air Force.

David: Oh, interesting.

Corey: And I had given that information already in intelligence briefings to the public, so I didn't understand why he was wearing the Air Force clothing.

David: Okay. Yeah. Interesting.

Corey: So we met a female that was wearing Air force clothing. She introduced herself to us and said that she was going to be our escort for the remainder of our visit.

David: Now, were these jumpsuits as you've said before?

Corey: No, she was dressed in an Air Force dress uniform.

David: Okay.

Corey: You know, had her hair kind of back and tucked, and tied. And it looked like Air Force dress.

David: Just regular Earth Air Force uniform?

Corey: Um-mm.

David: Okay.

Corey: She takes us immediately into an elevator. And we get in the elevator, and it starts going . . . It goes VERY quickly down. It goes very quickly down.

I couldn't count floors or do any type of intel.

David: And then what happens?

Corey: So when the doors open, I knew that I had gone MUCH further down into the LOC than I had EVER been permitted prior, or at least remember.

And when the doors opened, I was expecting to see all kinds of magic, and I was immediately disappointed. It was corridors and doors, was all I saw. So . . .

David: Would you have been able to know you were on the Moon if you were just transported there?

Corey: No. No, you would not know the difference. You would not know if you were on Earth. You wouldn't know.

David: Right. Okay.

Corey: So we were guided down a corridor to a room, and she knocked on the door at the same time as opening it. And when she did that, there was a conference table and what looked like a big window behind them. And the conference table was turned this way [Corey indicates the conference table is in front of him with him standing in the middle of a long side of the table.], and the window was this way [The window is opposite Corey on the other side of the conference table.]

And everyone at the table stood up – or almost everyone. Everyone that I could see stood up.

David: So what's in the window?

Corey: The window . . . I see Mars. It looks like we're on Mars.

David: Really?

Corey: And I was kind of perplexed. You know, the people are standing to greet me, and I'm like, “Are we on Mars now?” Because I've heard you give information about some insiders that they would ride an elevator, and then all of a sudden . . .

David: That's right.

Corey: . . . they're on another planet.

David: That's right.

Corey: And I was wondering if that had just happened.

David: Yeah. They called it the corridor, and it was a teleportation device. Yeah.

Corey: Right. So I was a little confused.

And immediately, one of them turned and saw it and changed it to a moonscape.

David: HA! Ha, ha.

Corey: So, basically, from talking with Gonzales, a lot of times, people . . . If you're working on a project, they'll take you through a portal without you knowing, and you'll be on the Moon or Mars.

David: Oh, wow!

Corey: And they can show what looks like a convincing window of somewhere on Earth.

David: Wow!

Corey: So you would think you're on Earth. Or if you're on Earth, and they want you to THINK you've been to Mars, they can do it that way, as well.

David: Very interesting.

Corey: So I immediately looked around, and I recognized everyone there, everyone present. And I look over, and . . .

David: Recognized, meaning what? Like who were they?

Corey: The Secret Space Program Alliance officials that I had met before.

David: Oh! Okay.

Corey: They looked very uneasy. Like meeting Gonzales and I for the first time in this situation made them very uneasy. It wasn't hard to read that.

David: To your knowledge, do these people ever come to Earth, or do they exclusively live in space, off planet?

Corey: Some of them, yeah, they do come to Earth, but most of them have been completely pulled away and segmented from any type of life going on on Earth.

They stood up – which is kind of the military thing to do, you know; when people come in the room, you stand up – and did a greeting with Gonzales and I. And like I said, they were nervous.

But as they were starting to sit back down at the end of the table, I saw Sigmund.

David: Oh, really?

Corey: And Gonzales and I were both sort of shocked and perplexed to see him. I sort of blurt out without evening thinking.

I was like, “Wow! So this is where you've been?”

And I looked around . . . I glanced around real quick, because everyone was very uncomfortable still, and I said, “I'm kind of surprised to see you here after I told the SSP Alliance that I had the feeling that you were infiltrating.”

And he didn't like that at all. He stood up and started frothing at the mouth.

He went from sitting there with a smirk on his face to standing up doing this [Corey points his right index finger down, up, down, up, repeatedly], saying, “You don't know what all I've lost. I lost everything.”

And then he pointed his finger at me, and he said, “Intuitive empath, my ass!”

David: Hm.

Corey: And then everyone was real quiet.

David: What do you think he meant by, “I've lost everything”? What does that mean?

Corey: Later on, I heard he basically abandoned his family and everything here.

David: Really?

Corey: Yeah. He abandoned everything.

David: To join the SSP Alliance once he found out it was real?

Corey: Yeah.

David: So could you just again, very briefly, tell us: what was his role before and why is this important?

Corey: Yes. He was very high up in the Military-Industrial Complex Secret Space Program.

He was being charged to investigate what was going on with me with the leaking of highly-classified information.

David: And so just to clarify, the MIC program doesn't know about the greater program that you were in.

Corey: Right. So I'm coming out with all these interesting tales along with classified information, and they were wanting to figure out what was going on. So he brought me in.

They were fairly sure I was a part of a program, and they put me through the paces to figure out if I was telling the truth or not.

They did forensic tests on me to see if I had been in the places I said I was.

And after finding out that what I was saying was true, or he could verify most of it, he soon broke away and joined the SSP Alliance.

And that's pretty much how everyone had joined. They had, at some point, pulled away after they found out more information.

David: So it must have been really shocking for you to see him there, considering that in the past, he didn't even believe that your Secret Space Program existed.

Corey: Right, but he's still a skeptical guy. As the briefing continued, he showed his skepticism.

But after his outburst, there was kind of an awkward pause when someone on the opposite side of the table said, “How about we sit down so we can begin?”

So we all sat down and then the briefings began.

David: Okay, so what were the briefings?

Corey: They're basically the briefings that I've been giving all of our viewers the last several episodes.

David: Oh! You were briefing them?

Corey: Uh-huh.

David: Really?

Corey: I was getting briefed as well. Gonzales and I were both getting a joint briefing. Most of that is classified still.

Gonzales gave his briefing, and a lot of it was classified, but a lot of it also had to do with the different beings that he was working with alongside the Mayans and the work they were doing.

I gave my complete briefing, and the moment I brought up the Super Federation and started to give the briefing, and I mentioned Teir-Eir, the Blue Avian, appearing, Sigmund sat back and threw his arms up and scoffed in disbelief.

David: After all that?

Corey: Yeah.

David: So why do you think he still would disbelieve if he's actually discovered the SSP Alliance is real?

Corey: Well, I asked him. I said, “After everything you've seen, now that you've joined the SSP Alliance, you still don't believe?”

And he said, “I've had technology used on me to where I don't know if THIS is real.”

He said, “The technology that's out there can make you see whatever it is they want you to see.”

He said, “I am fairly certain that the Nordics are screwing with our heads again.”

David: Hm.

Corey: And I was about to ask him, “What do you mean, 'again'?”, when that same person at the other end of the table called us back to order.

David: Well, given the fact that you were put into, as you've described, virtual reality simulations in the MILAB program when you were a kid that you said were indistinguishable from reality, do you think he has a point? Do you think he could be right?

Corey: He absolutely has a point, because from his perspective, he's been put through a lot of those technologies to a point where he doesn't know what's real half the time from what he was saying.

David: Right. But I would say, from all that you've described, that there are layers of this that make it very clear that it's not just Nordics playing a game on you, that this is actually a real phenomenon with real beings.

Corey: Right. He went on to say, “Listen, I saw the video of the first meeting at the LOC where the Blue Avians and the Golden Triangle-Head being appeared.”

And he said, “I saw it, but I don't believe it.” He refuses to believe it.

David: Is that a pretty forlorn opinion that most people don't share? Is he kind of in an isolated role by feeling that way?

Corey: Well, all of the people that were there at the LOC meeting, that were there when the Blue Avian appeared, were pretty convinced that it was real as well.

So it was just that he had not . . . He was going from his previous experience.

David: Well, let's talk about this for a second. If he believes, and he has reason to think that the Nordics have enough technology that they could make you see whatever they want, why couldn't they, for example, project a President of the United States and just replace him or do all kinds of weird things to mess with our history?

Corey: There's only so much they're allowed to do, cosmic law-wise. But apparently, Nordic species have been involved with us ever since we've been here.

There are tales of angels, tales of beings appearing during the founding of the United States . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . that were described as being Nordic-looking. So they've been here with us all along.

I don't understand though, quite yet, what he means by, “They're playing with our heads again.”

David: But you were under the impression that most people did not believe him in that room.

Corey: Most of the people didn't agree.

David: Right. So what happens next?

Corey: Basically, I finished up my report to them and then received around a dozen questions, as Gonzales did as well. He received several questions.

And then I was done with my part of the report.

David: So was there anything interesting that was said after you finished your briefing?

Corey: They brought up some of the plans that were in motion to disclose the MIC Secret Space Program.

David: Hm.

Corey: And one of these had to do with a conflict with North Korea – how they would bring to bear space-based weaponry and exotic aircraft.

David: Now, just so that we're clear, what is the fully-awakened view of North Korea in terms of who is really responsible for what they're doing and what is the agenda?

Corey: That's a huge conversation in its own, but basically we can say it's a Cabal puppet state.

David: Okay. So why then are they trying to nuke the U.S. or threatening to nuke the U.S.?

Corey: They always need a bad guy, the Cabal, to leverage against us. In this case, the Alliance is leading the military, the Military-Industrial Complex, SSP, as well. Most of it is now under Alliance control – Earth Alliance.

And they want to disclose this program from a place of strength. So they feel that if they use the weapons that they've been developing for decades on North Korea, that it will send a message to the rest of the world while at the same time releasing advanced technology to the public.

David: So they would actually intend for this to be filmed and seen and talked about on headlines all over the world?

Corey: Right. Just like when war broke out . . . I believe it was with Iraq when the Stealth Fighter and Bomber came out of secrecy.

David: Just because this has been so controversial on the Internet, I want to ask you this: What could the Cabal do to a country like North Korea to get them to poke their finger in the eye of the big bully on what would appear to be like a suicide mission?

In other words, they don't really have hardly anything, but they're acting as if they're going to drop a nuke anyway.

How severe is this military threat that we would pose to them? Are we going to wipe out their entire country and turn it into glass? I mean, what is the scope of the attack, because a lot of people are really worried about this?

Corey: Right. Well, the scope of the attack, from what I've heard, is that we recently – SpaceX – launched a DoD [Department of Defense] device that is a sustained EMP [electromagnetic pulse device].

They're going to use that over North Korea, hit it with an EMP, and then begin to drop some of the Rods from God – large, long, about telephone-sized tungsten beams that are coated in ceramic.

David: Okay.

Corey: It is planned that they'll be dropped, and that then TR-3B-type craft will then come in and do surgical sorties.

And they're going to try to take . . . not damage the infrastructure – what there is of infrastructure. They're trying to go for low casualties.

David: Okay. So those tungsten rods that you just mentioned, are they like bunker busters? Are they able to get deep, underground military bases taken out?

Corey: Absolutely.

David: How could somebody convince Kim Jong-un to be doing this? I mean, the guy . . . He's obviously not going to live through this.

How could the Cabal actually make this country pick such a huge fight that it knows it can't win?

Corey: Well, we're not talking about a country. We're talking about one insane leader who they are able to manipulate.

David: So there might be blackmail involved or bribery or some other type of threat-coercion factor.

Corey: Right. In the course of this discussion, they brought up the Tom DeLonge effort of bringing out advanced technologies and in disclosure.

David: Right.

Corey: And they've stated that he was working in tandem with the Air Force part of the MIC SSP, which is also the DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency.

And as they started talking more about THAT program, and how they were doing it independently of ufology – they did not want to work with anyone in ufology – and I was curious about that, obviously, and they basically stated that ufology had been so infiltrated by Illuminati cults, by egotistical narcissists that really just are there to talk about their material and create UFO-type religions. It's a mess.

And they say that if they want the, I guess, the rest of society to take this information seriously, they felt like it had to be done completely separate from what was going on in the ufology realms, which is disappointing.

David: Yeah. I mean, that's kind of like fighting words. It's you putting your gun on the table when you say that, really.

So how can we marginalize this whole community like that? That doesn't seem really fair to say.

Corey: Well, it's not fair, but they do have their points. There are a lot of problems in this community.

But if we want to be a part of it, we're going to have to make a stand and just be a part of it by default.

David: Has there been a psychological profile of why they think people in our community are so ill-equipped to handle a genuine briefing or genuine disclosure?

Corey: Well, part of the problem is that the Military-Industrial Complex has been screwing with ufology for decades, feeding in misinformation, sending in operatives to cause fighting and infighting, sending in people with different narratives.

I mean, some of the Illuminati-type cults have been coming in with their religious narratives trying to cause us to adopt them, to make it to prime us for some day when they come up, they show us what's going on in Antarctica and claim to be divine right rulers, that we will agree.

David: So I just want to get a little bit more direct in how I ask this of you.

Are you saying that there are certain people who would be recognizable figures in the UFO community who are actually working on a secret payroll and are having kind of a double-agent role in what they're doing?

Corey: There have been instances of that since ufology began, absolutely.

David: Hm. So how would our audience know who to trust in light of that information? How should the person hearing this respond if they're told that our entire community is in such a state of disarray right now?

Corey: Well, I guess we just need to begin to hold our UFO belief systems – we all have them – at arm's length and start to focus on getting Disclosure.

None of us really know the real truth, but we all want it. So if we all focus on what we're desiring as opposed to what we've created in our minds over the years, then we'll find a way to work together.

Otherwise, we are just at each other's throats. My information doesn't match your information, therefore you must be the Devil. And it's just a big mess.

But at the same time, there are a lot of really great people in the community, that if they come together, they will be able to be a MAJOR part of Disclosure.

David: So were there any other topics that you discussed at this meeting besides what we've already mentioned?

Corey: Actually, Sigmund kind of dropped a couple of bombs real quick.

David: Ha, ha.

Corey: He told us that we were going to get a very exclusive tour of the Lunar Operation Command, which definitely got my attention. And then, . . .

David: You said before you only got to see the top, right?

Corey: Right. I was already further down in the LOC than I'd ever been.

David: Wow!

Corey: And what's interesting is he said that the tour would begin at LOC Bravo.

Now, one of the things that I've kind of kept to myself, and it's so you can tell who is real when they come forward, is that there are three LOCs.

David: Right.

Corey: There's LOC Alpha, which is the one that I've always talked about, LOC Bravo, and LOC Charlie. And by the end of this trip, I get to visit all three.

David: Well, Corey, I hate to say this, but we are out of time for this episode. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, here with Corey Goode. Thanks for watching.

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